In this episode of The Rumors Are True, host Jeremy Alan Gould sits down with Rob Horner, former bassist for Zao and Gods, to talk about his time in two of the most influential bands in heavy music and the journey that shaped him along the way. Rob reflects on his years with Zao during a pivotal era for the band — a period that helped define the sound and spirit of early metalcore — and shares insights into the writing, touring, and community that surrounded that scene.

The conversation also dives into Rob’s post-Zao project, Gods, exploring how that band grew out of his desire to keep creating meaningful, emotionally honest music. Rob discusses his creative process, the lessons learned from the highs and challenges of life on the road, and what it was like to be part of a scene that still resonates deeply with fans decades later.

With stories about friendship, art, and the evolution of underground heavy music, this episode offers a rare and candid look at one musician’s journey through two important chapters of the genre’s history.

Produced by Wesley Hill @thebigwes

Artwork By Jared Chase Bowser @jaredchasebowser

Music by Brian Jerin R.I.P.