In a rare interview, Sarah Rainsford speaks to Robert Brovdi, commander of Ukraine’s drone forces, about the rapid evolution of drone warfare and how it is reshaping Russia’s war in Ukraine.

Drones are now being used to strike oil facilities and military targets deep inside Russian territory but initially were used just to spot Russian forces.

Commander Brovdi was among the first to see their true potential and, as technology advanced, drones began to change everything on the battlefield.

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Presenter: Sarah Rainsford

Producers: Osman Iqbal

Editor: Farhana Haider

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(Image: Robert Brovdi Credit: Oleksii Samsonov/Global Images Ukraine via Getty Images)