Rock 'n' Roll Rabbit Hole

Rock 'n' Roll Rabbit Hole

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Rock 'n' Roll Rabbit Hole episodes

  • ’Come On Eileen’ by Dexys Midnight Runners: Greatest One-Hit Wonder Ever?

    Too-rye-ay, we're back again with Episode 2 of Season 2 of Rock 'n' Roll Rabbit Hole. In this episode, Butch and Kevin dig into a 1980s classic, "Come on Eileen" by Dexys Midnight Runners. We discuss the song's meaning, the band's background and the impact it made when it shot up the charts in 1982-83. Among the points covered:

    • Beer of the Week: Falls City English Style Pale Ale (we also tasted a bit of Limestone Branch rye, a local barrel pick)
  • Kevin Rowland was a difficult guy to deal with
  • Dexys actually had a previous hit in the UK
  • The band's first US single did nothing
  • Once "Eileen" fell off the charts, the band would never crack the US Top 40 again.
  • Is it the greatest one-hit wonder of all-time? Is there one?
  • 41 min
  • Queen’s ’We Will Rock You’ and ’We Are the Champions’: Forever Connected

    And we're back for Season 2! To kick things off, we're tackling a two-fer, the double A-side single from the amazing Queen, "We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions." We talk about the songs' historic status as a double-single, why they are so frequently played back-to-back, their statuses as sports anthems and what inspired the tunes for songwriters Brian May and Freddie Mercury, respectively. A few notes:

    • Beer of the Week is Jai Alai IPA by Cigar City Brewing
  • An odd occurrence at a Queen concert in 1977 led to these two songs
  • A couple of personal stories about our first time hearing these timeless tunes
  • We plan to have guests on a few upcoming episodes
  • Kevin's dog made too much noise during recording
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    40 min
  • ‘Smells Like Teen Spirit‘: How Nirvana‘s Unlikely Hit Changed Everything

    On this, the final Season 1 episode, Butch and Kevin dig into "Smells Like Teen Spirit," Nirvana's seminal grunge anthem from 1991. This is the song that often gets credit for squashing hair metal once and for all, but the Rock 'n' Roll Rabbit Hole hosts take a deeper dive into the cultural shift it brought about, including comparing it with another notable song that brought about a similar seismic shift decades earlier. A few points:

    • Yes, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" essentially killed hair metal.
  • The title of the song doesn't even show up in the lyric. Where did that phrase come from and what does it mean?
  • How important was the video to the song's popularity? Ugly people on MTV was a new thing.
  • Of course, Kevin has to bring the Knack into the conversation.
  • The opening riff to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" sounds a bit like the main riff to this rock classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4QK8RxCAwo
  • And, as promised in the episode, here's a link to "Weird" Al Yankovic's parody of the song and video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FklUAoZ6KxY
  • 42 min
  • ‘Stacy‘s Mom‘: Lost Interview With Fountains of Wayne Frontman Chris Collingwood

    Fountains of Wayne had its lone Top 40 hit in 2003 with "Stacy's Mom," which is often remembered for the video starring actress Rachel Hunter. In this episode, Kevin digs out an interview he did with Chris Collingwood, the band's frontman, in 2003, just two weeks after the single was released. Most of the interview was never published, so Kevin and Butch included as many of Chris's quotes as possible, from naked guys across the street to gardening while stoned to whatever happened to the protagonist from "Leave the Biker." Along the way, they talk about "Stacy's Mom" and how it became an unexpected hit for a band that were already music industry veterans. Here are a few highlights to listen for:

    • This week's beer is Hops For Teacher IPA from J. Wakefield Brewery in Florida. Good stuff!
  • Collingwood foretold what the result of releasing a "novelty" song would be long before "Stacy's Mom" became a hit. The story involves Howard Stern.
  • The video is a string of tributes to the '80s The song itself is a tribute of sorts to the Cars, with its structure borrowing from two classic Cars songs.
  • For you Fountains of Wayne fans, Chris Collingwood has a new band, called Look Park. Here's a video to check out: https://youtu.be/iLDkrJFzxZU
  • And here's Fountains of Wayne's haunting version of the Britney Spears hit "...Baby One More Time," as originally leaked on the Howard Stern Show: https://youtu.be/pmkVJJDseQs
  • And finally, if you're a Fountains of Wayne fan, you surely already know about this song. But just in case, here's Robbie Fulks' "Fountains of Wayne Hotline": https://youtu.be/7vVJ2Om-QVg
  • 41 min
  • ‘Hotel California‘: Do You Hate the Eagles or Love the Eagles?

    It's a tale as old as ... well the 1970s, when the Eagles were flying high (pun intended) on hits like "Take it Easy" and "Peaceful Easy Feeling." Then came "Hotel California," the dark, sprawling tune with the ominous, two-minute instrumental outro. It was and continues to be one of the most notable songs in rock 'n' roll. But over the years, a contingent of people came to hate the song and the band that created it. Why? We dig into it from a variety of perspectives. First, a few notes:

    • This week's beer is New Glarus Moon Man, a beer only available in Wisconsin. (Kevin is a Green Bay Packers fan, and he and Butch recently went to Green Bay for training camp; this beer came back with them.)
  • It's OK to like the Eagles, just don't admit you like the Eagles. (We kid.)
  • Here's a fascinating read about why so many people hate The Eagles: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/6851078/eagles-hatred-explainer-defense-glenn-frey
  • Butch has always liked the song and The Eagles. Kevin has had an up-and-down relationship with both over his lifespan.
  • They agree song construction in its own right fits the subject matter, with the dark tones and guitar-solo climax matching the spooky lyric. Kudos to Don Felder, who did the heavy lifting in creating the song.
  • They also agree Joe Walsh might be the coolest dude ever. Don Henley and Glenn Frey? Not so much. At least to Kevin, who shares a funny story about Don Henley and a root canal.
  • Another interesting read from Chuck Klosterman on hating The Eagles: https://ew.com/article/2013/06/20/book-excerpt-chuck-klosterman/
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    40 min
  • ‘Don‘t Stop Believin‘‘: Journey‘s Universal Hit That Won‘t Quit

    Just what the heck is it that makes "Don't Stop Believin'" by Journey so popular, and for so long? Is it Steve Perry's pleading vocal? The big chorus that takes forever to get to? The relatable lyric? Heck, the song has been around since 1981, topped out at No. 9 on the charts, yet it's still regularly getting placement in modern pop culture, not to mention numerous cover versions that continue to re-energize the song. It literally is the top-sold digital track of the 20th century. Kevin and Butch dig into the song's staying power. Over beers.

    • This week's beer is JB's Birthday Beer, a banana hefeweisen brewed by our friend JK Mabry, who also offers his opinion of the song at hand.
  • Sorry about the sound -- we were having technical difficulties. The upside is that Kevin's dog Atticus makes an appearance or two, as does a storm that was raging through as the episode was being recorded.
  • To be fair, Butch and Kevin admittedly aren't big Journey fans. But they were there as Journey fever swept through America.
  • Check out the band Cooler - scroll down to "Rock Concert '83" for their Journey tribute. https://www.reverbnation.com/cooler/songs
  • 38 min
  • 'Walk This Way': Did Run DMC and Aerosmith Change the Course of Rock?

    Sit with Kevin and Butch as they discuss the making of Run DMC's take on the Aerosmith classic rocker "Walk This Way." Run DMC was dead set against recording it, but producer Rick Rubin won out. By sheer will, Steven Tyler and Joe Perry were able to fly in to add vocals and guitar to the track, making it a pioneering mash-up of rap and rock. Did it change the course of rock music history? A few notes:

    • Beer of the week is Against the Grain Citra Ass Down 2IPA.
  • Butch talks about about who the hosts are and what they do outside of the podcast. (It's brief, we promise.)
  • Silly Putty enters the conversation.
  • The guys talk about their perceptions of Aerosmith in the 1980s before the song was released. They were among many 1970s bands that had difficulty finding a niche in the new decade.
  • Run DMC thought the band's name was Toys in the Attic. They had no idea what the song was called, either.
  • Originally, Run DMC just wanted to use the song's beat to "rap about how great they were." When they first heard the lyrics, they dismissed it as "hillbilly gibberish."
  • Enter Rick Rubin, and the rest, as they say, is rock history.
  • Check out the book "Walk This Way" about how the song changed American music for a much deeper dive down the rabbit hole.
  • 47 min
  • AC/DC's 'Back in Black': A Band Reborn With Brian Johnson

    Many if not all rock 'n' roll fans feared rock powerhouse AC/DC would die along with Bon Scott. But then Brian Johnson came along, and the result was one of the band's strongest albums ever, featuring the timeless "Back in Black." The song itself was a tribute to Scott, which makes it appropriate that it would become an AC/DC signature. On this episode, we dig deep into "Back in Black" and offer up some insights into the remaking of the band in its transition to Johnson. A few tidbits to kick things off:

    • This week's beer is Harveistoun Old Engine Oil Black Ale.
  • Bon Scott knew Brian Johnson thanks to sharing a bill with his previous band, which is a key reason AC/DC chose Johnson after Scott's death.
  • The song came out just five months after Scott died, in part because it was already partially written. Johnson finished it with lyrics.
  • That a band could change lead vocalists so seamlessly is nothing short of impressive. How many other bands did it? Few, if only because the singer so often is seen as the focal point.
  • If Scott had lived on, would the band have faded into a Scorpions-esque semi-obscurity?
  • If you haven't seen Jim Breuer's impersonation of AC/DC performing "The Hokey Pokey," you absolutely should. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imrcyyajCaI
  • Let's all join hands and thank the Rock Gods AC/DC didn't ask Sammy Hagar to join the band.
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    46 min
  • 'My Sharona': The Knack's 'Golden Albatross'

    "My Sharona" was a song that helped finally knock disco off the top of the charts. It was a massive hit for The Knack, but the band would never have another huge hit. Instead, the band would break up after their third album release and later reunite. Nevertheless, the iconic song, which was written about a real person named Sharona Alperin, would endure. The band's late, great front man Doug Fieger would ultimately call it the band's "Golden Albatross," which is the main topic Butch and Kevin focus on during this episode.

    A few topics covered:

    • This week's beer is Uber Hipster IPA by Falls City Brewing Co. in Louisville.
  • The Knack Front man Doug Fieger appeared on the show "Roseanne" several times.
  • The Knack's young fan club was known as The Knackettes, led by Sharona Alperin.
  • Berton Averre wrote the riff and the framework for the song, and Doug wrote the song about Sharona, with whom he had fallen in love. Doug's live-in girlfriend was in the next room when they started rehearsing it.
  • The guitar solo in "My Sharona" is one of the greatest solos in the history of rock, and Kevin will fight you over it.
  • "My Sharona" had a chance to be featured during the Ving Rhames rape scene in "Pulp Fiction." The band instead offered the rights for use in "Reality Bites."
  • Kevin was definitely tipsy during the making of this episode, so please forgive any missteps such as referring to Capitol Records as "Columbia." Butch was ever patient.
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    51 min
  • Van Halen's 'Jump': Hello Synthesizers, Goodbye David Lee Roth

    The song "Jump" and the album 1984 propelled Van Halen into the rock stratosphere -- and shortly thereafter, front man David Lee Roth left the band to start a solo career. What was it about "Jump" that resonated so strongly? Was it the unexpected decision to include synthesizers? Was it the goofy, low-budget video? Whatever, it endures, and it also started the ball rolling to the often-maligned Van Hagar era. Butch and Kevin discuss all this and more, with some details about the song and video you may not know. A few points to get you started:

    • This week's beer is Apollo IPA from Apocalypse Brew Works.
  • Roth hated the idea of adding synth to Van Halen's music, and in fact, the song had been in limbo for several years before Eddie Van Halen decided to record it on his own.
  • The purpose of the award-winning video was to show the human side of the band, but even that ticked off Roth, who wanted to be the focal point of the video.
  • A year later, Roth's ego led him away from Van Halen. But the keyboards stayed.
  • Here, as promised, is an especially awkward example of what the "Jump" performance video inspired other, less charismatic bands to do with their music videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8qqQeLe_G8
  • And this is Nerf Herder's brilliant nerdcore tune inspired by the Van Halen legacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvAGBz4ZJm4
  • And if we'd known about this brilliance, we'd have mentioned on the show. Still ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ6bli9Xir4
  • 39 min

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Rock 'N' Roll Rabbit Hole, with hosts Butch Bays and Kevin Gibson, does deep dives into classic songs, one-hit wonders, forgotten tunes -- pretty much any song or single might get into our…