Brian and Murdock follow the story of Fleetwood Mac from album 5 through 9, tracing the path of infights, sexual liaisons, and imposters that led to Mick Fleetwood finally meeting Lindsey Buckingham.

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The Mark Blake book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Dreams/Mark-Blake/9781639367320

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Welch_(musician)

https://themeggiesue.substack.com/p/tms-muse-of-the-week-judy-wong

https://classicrockforpoc.tumblr.com/post/137364959800/groupie-jewel-eyed-judy-wong-43

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Games

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Kirwan

https://www.spectacularoptical.ca/2018/06/rip-danny-kirwan-fleetwood-macs-drunk-muppet/

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/11/618869222/fleetwood-macs-forgotten-hero-guitarist-danny-kirwan-has-died

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Weston_(guitarist)

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/mar/30/jenny-boyd-mick-fleetwood-jennifer-juniper-its-not-what-you-think-behind-the-star-studded-life-of-a-rock-stars-wife

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Davis_(music_manager)

Original Rolling Stone reporting on fake Mac: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/fleetwood-mac-flak-manager-takes-name-not-members-on-tour-233735/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretch_(band)

Weston on being a scape goat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-p3uxFSko

https://pleasekillme.com/fakewood-mac/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_Are_Hard_to_Find

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Brian and Murdock go way back to start breaking down the details of who and what made up Fleetwood Mac for the seven years before Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham showed up.

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The Mark Blake book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Dreams/Mark-Blake/9781639367320

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleetwood_Mac

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mayall_%26_the_Bluesbreakers

https://alanpaul.substack.com/p/its-a-hard-road-john-mayall-jason

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Spencer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleetwood_Mac_(1968_album)

https://www.wpr.org/culture/fleetwood-mac-mark-blake-dreams

https://www.musicradar.com/news/early-fleetwood-mac-5-peter-green-jeremy-spencer-danny-kirwan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Then_Play_On

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiln_House

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Welch_(musician)

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Brian and Murdock chronicle Bruce's struggle to breakthrough to the mainstream at the end of the 1970s- and the hits he gave away along the way.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Springsteen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramones

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/when-joey-ramone-asked-bruce-springsteen-for-a-song/

https://www.app.com/story/news/history/2016/03/25/night-bruce-springsteen-met-ramones/82228748/

“Hungry Heart” in the style of The Ramones:

https://youtu.be/5tCMa7_liNA?si=IileU-_es5u2u3iN

E-Street Shuffle piece with Joey Ramone interview videos, etc.: 

https://estreetshuffle.com/index.php/2022/12/21/roll-of-the-dice-hungry-heart/

https://americansongwriter.com/5-songs-you-didnt-know-bruce-springsteen-wrote-that-were-made-famous-by-other-artists/

How Manfred Man got access to Bruce’s songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv0kQ-VopnI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Appel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greetings_from_Asbury_Park,_N.J.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinded_by_the_Light

https://medium.com/@rchamoff/blinded-by-the-light-is-complete-nonsense-201d31919c38

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gordon_(singer)

https://tedtockscovers.wordpress.com/2021/04/11/fire-the-boss-was-knocking-on-the-kings-door-musicislife-tedtockscovers-brucespringsteen-robertgordon-thepointersisters-shakinstevens-robinwilliams-linkwray/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_(Bruce_Springsteen_song)

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/03/28/music

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because_the_Night

https://the-circuit.greasylake.org/index.php?/topic/155283-patti-smith-talking-about-because-the-night-and-bruce/

Brian’s 2023 appearance talking about Sire Records on Only Three Lads: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1DqU34hgE3qb7SSCYzlZdS?si=65k6Va-uR72dzfMG9Cpdpw

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Brian and Murdock dig into the history of MTV's unlikely smash hit that resurrected careers and created a new revenue line for loud bands willing to turn down the volume.

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I WANT MY MTV - The Book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/308409/i-want-my-mtv-by-rob-tannenbaum/

https://www.impericon.com/blogs/magazine/when-metal-bands-pull-the-plug-unplugged-and-acoustic-projects

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ve-seen-million-faces-ve-120710082.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stray_Gators

https://www.thisisdig.com/feature/harvest-moon-neil-young-album/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_Roberts

https://www.facebook.com/groups/266465700545777/posts/1727363401122659/

https://americansongwriter.com/on-this-day-in-1988-mtv-refused-to-play-neil-youngs-this-notes-for-you-for-a-pretty-silly-reason/

Internet Archive – Neil Young MTV Unplugged 2/7/93

https://archive.org/details/neil-young-mtv-unplugged

FaceOff Rock Show 

Neil Young’s Second Attempt on MTV Unplugged. 

https://en.faceoffrockshow.com/post/neil-young-second-attempt-on-mtv-unplugged-1

How Neil Got It Right The Second Time

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/neil-young-unplugged/

12 Unforgettable Unplugged Performances

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/top-mtv-unplugged-episodes/

Did Neil Young run out of his Unplugged taping

http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3163911&p=1

Fandom Wiki Neil

https://music.fandom.com/wiki/Unplugged:Neil_Young

Unplugged: Full Album

https://youtu.be/BSOItCgL-CE?si=k-ry5jw51_VnOOHc

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Brian and Murdock dig at the roots of "Mrs. Robinson" only to end up on a journey through 70s cinema, childhood friendships, and especially petty songwriting.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Nichols

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Graduate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Webb_(author)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Turman

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/07/arts/lawrence-turman-dead.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._Levine

https://medium.com/@jacobdowning/nichols-and-simon-and-garfunkel-cde5b6f03db5

https://valentinamariesemler.substack.com/p/revisiting-the-graduate

https://www.openculture.com/2021/02/paul-simon-deconstructs-mrs-robinson-1970.html

https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2015/06/01/today-in-music-history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundtrack

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/first-pop-song-used-in-a-movie

Dick Cavett interview: https://youtu.be/sDqIsuIpVy4?si=Fb9MZGCEaq29IKPB

https://www.openculture.com/2021/02/paul-simon-deconstructs-mrs-robinson-1970.html

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/feb/12/art-garfunkel-paul-simon

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Brian and Murdock answer a letter asking for the backstory on what went down between the two big personalities inside The Smiths - Steven Morrissey and Johnny Marr.

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https://consequence.net/2025/06/johnny-marr-smiths-reunion-vibes/

https://www.vinylmeplease.com/blogs/music-industry-news/johnny-marr-rejects-smiths-reunion-offer-a-look-at-artistic-integrity-and-band-dynamics

https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/the-smiths-johnny-marr-reunion-offer-turned-down-1236003199

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/morrissey-turned-down-mega-bucks-smiths-reunion-offer-over-johnny-marr-96578/

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jan/26/morrissey-accuses-johnny-marr-clickbait

Johny Marr’s book: Set the Boy Free: https://www.amazon.com/Set-Free-Autobiography-Johnny-Marr/dp/0062438697

Morrissey’s book: Autobiography: 

https://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Morrissey/dp/014310750X/ref=sr_1_1

Tony Fletcher’s book: A Light That Never Goes Out:

https://www.amazon.com/Light-That-Never-Goes-Out/dp/0307715965

Chuck Klosterman’s IV (which contains the August 2002 SPIN article): https://www.amazon.com/Chuck-Klosterman-IV-Curious-Dangerous/dp/0743284895

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/artists/morrissey-johnny-marr-hate/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cilla_Black

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Is_a_Four-Letter_Word

https://www.rhino.com/article/deep-dive-cilla-black-the-smiths-work-is-a-four-letter-word

https://smiths.fandom.com/wiki/Joyce_v_Morrissey_%26_Ors#:~:text=In%20March%201989%2C%20Joyce%20and,and%20understood%20the%20royalty%20deal.

https://www.morrissey-solo.com/news/news1296.htm

https://www.salon.com/2024/08/30/a-history-of-the-smiths-beef-morrissey-and-johnny-marrs-political-divide/

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/morrissey-claims-johnny-marr-acquired-trademark-intellectual-property-rights-for-the-smiths-name/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CJ%20Marr%20has%20successfully%20applied,yet%20another%20Smiths%20best%2Dof.

https://x.com/Johnny_Marr/status/1836103851666993170

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/does-the-mexican-american-community-still-love-morrissey-despite-everything/

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Brian and Murdock explore the rumor that Lennon's last album might have had some musical support from a certain set of Midwestern power-poppers.

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Cheap Trick In Color with Steve Albini producing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bsT3EWlsJM&list=PLvLuPYa2vgAsbNg5NhnEBx2N1GgV28nX6

Interview with Rick Nielsen about working with Lennon

https://lasvegassun.com/blogs/kats-report/2009/sep/13/nielsen-original/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI'm%20Losing%20You%E2%80%9D%20was%20knocked%20out%20in%20two,%2C%20never%2Dhappened%20things.%E2%80%9D

“Rick and Ben” on the Double Fantasy experience (this is cartoon spoof is barely a minute, animated and funny, but not actually Rick and Ben)

https://youtu.be/BHGTkWNsOcU?si=bQut-fIhOoNS4ozH

All About the Hit Factory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hit_Factory

Morris Levy wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Levy

Double Fantasy Session Musicians

Tony Levin-Bass-bio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Levin

Andy Newmark-drums

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Newmark

“I’m losing you” outtake from Double Fantasy

Lennon with Rick and Ben from Cheap Trick

https://youtu.be/BZae6fbxItI?si=D8uPkEvxmxVrqxpI

Motley Crue headlining with Cheap Trick opening 1986, SHEFFIEEEELD, England.

“Ten Seconds to Love”

https://youtu.be/8hWnUsyTtik?si=vSMfF2vUpvmGkSOy

Kid Rock intros Cheap Trick into the RNR Hall of Fame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjxkpoqM3Q8&t=367s

Highway to Krell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf0Pa2iyOEA&list=RDpf0Pa2iyOEA&start_radio=1

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The guys go through a series of letters all focused on the intersection of musicians and publicity. Did Grateful Dead dose an audience? Did a punk band pull one over on tabloid TV? And why was the singer of that emo band on Sally Jesse Raphael?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_show

https://www.liveabout.com/talk-isnt-cheap-a-brief-history-of-the-tv-talk-show-3177025

https://ellenhume.com/talk-show-culture/ii-history-u-s-talk-shows-from-radio-to-television-and-the-internet/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-night_talk_show

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley

https://www.thetimes.com/culture/music/article/carlos-santana-woodstock-that-was-when-my-guitar-turned-into-a-snake-m708lgchr

https://www.openculture.com/2021/01/when-the-grateful-dead-performed-on-hugh-hefners-playboy-after-dark.html#google_vignette

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_After_Dark

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy%27s_Penthouse

https://liveforlivemusic.com/features/grateful-dead-dosed-playboy-after-dark/

Jon Gugala piece on acid and the Dead: https://huckberry.com/journal/posts/trip-of-a-lifetime-how-the-grateful-dead-s-acid-experiences-shaped-its-sound

https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/owsley-stanley-the-king-of-lsd-82181/

https://www.loudersound.com/news/watch-this-super-rare-footage-of-a-baby-faced-gerard-way-before-he-was-famous-defending-comic-books-on-a-us-chat-show

Gerard Way on Sally Jesse Raphael: 

https://youtu.be/98LQmdkO8DU?si=-Am2NWuk-W8vvHiB

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/my-chemical-romances-gerard-way-embroiled-in-comic-controversy-89842/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MyChemicalRomance/comments/1xza0l/hart_d_fisher_goes_off_about_my_chemical_romances/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MyChemicalRomance/comments/f2ybkq/someone_on_fb_just_posted_this_and_i_was_shocked/

https://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3277602/interview-hart-d-fisher-goes-off-about-my-chemical-romances-gerard-way-kickstarter-and-fangoria/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Jessy_Raphael

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid_talk_show

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_D._Fisher

https://www.keycollectorcomics.com/series/on-ravens-wings,66401/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-locust-justin-pearson-on-jerry-springer-1999-video/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Pearson_(musician)

https://web.archive.org/web/20170405073703/http://www.laweekly.com/news/a-day-with-the-locust-2137011

https://www.epitaph.com/news/article/the-locust-have-signed-with-epitaphs-anti-label

The Locust on Jerry Springer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oRAVNUWTOk

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Brian and Murdock get a listener request to revisit the life, trials, and absolute chaos that came to define the finest country music singer of all time - George Jones.

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The George Jones & Tom Carter book: I Lived to Tell it All

George Jones On The Reccord with Ralph Emery:

https://youtu.be/BPoH39J-LWU?si=SV-7SNHBXToi18sM

Mike Judge’s Tales from the Tour Bus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPA5iWmbYtY

Bad Cock will Treat You Right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmm7nvCpNAM

Heartbreaking stories about George: 

https://www.factinate.com/people/george-jones/

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Brian and Murdock answer an inquiry regarding The Pre-Fab Four and one member who may (or many not) have had an outsized impact on the future of rock n roll beyond the band.

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https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-monkees/1997/cardinal-stadium-louisville-ky-4bda9b8e.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Nesmith

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justus_(album)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Rafelson

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/head-1968

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_(film)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Jones_(musician)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tork

https://americansongwriter.com/the-brutal-reason-why-stephen-stills-was-rejected-by-the-monkees/

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004880/bio/

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/dec/11/the-monkees-michael-nesmith-a-supremely-gifted-innovative-songwriter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bette_Nesmith_Graham

Michael Nesmith’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Infinite-Tuesday-Autobiographical-Michael-Nesmith/dp/1101907517/ref=sr_1_1

https://recordcollectormag.com/articles/michael-nesmith#:~:text=But%20what%20I%20said%20was,and%20I%20will%20follow%20you.%E2%80%9D

https://medium.com/the-riff/one-of-the-last-interviews-with-michael-nesmith-aba038cb4703

The Damien Love deep dive piece: https://damienlove.com/writing/loose-salute-the-story-of-michael-nesmith-and-the-first-national-band/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_(Michael_Nesmith_song)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_National_Band

The RIO video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yciLq5kYFnU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_a_Radio_Engine_to_the_Photon_Wing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qube_(cable_television)

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