National advocates are pushing for more restorative justice policies to replace zero tolerance discipline in public schools. But not everyone agrees. Some think these new policies break down order in schools. We speak with Marika Pfefferkorn, an advocate of Solutions, Not Suspensions.

Is education reform too white to do any good? Some say yes. We discuss the need for a new movement, led by people of color, that advances the cause of betters schools. We are joined by Nekima Levy-Pounds, a civil rights attorney and educational justice advocate.

In this episode, Chris and his guests share observations about how race and politics impact attempts to improve education, and share experiences with challenging - or being challenged by - white progressives.