We sat down with former Sunderland defender Paul Butler to chat his time at SAFC and his love of Sacko and... Pies? Possibly. You can listen for FREE on Acast, iTunes, Spotify, & YouTube - get stuck in.

What are we talking about?

• How did the move to Sunderland come about?
• The squad of 98; Who was the best drinker of the group, how important was Sacko to the way they came together and who were his favourite players to play alongside?
• His recent work scouting for Man City and Liverpool searching for young talent, and his work at grassroots level;
• Running through brick walls for Bally; As the squad that Reidy and Sacko built was mostly former captains of other clubs, how much respect did they have for one another?
• The importance of momentum; Everyone knowing their jobs, and fighting for the shirt.
• Handling fan expectations at a big club, the problems with young lads coming up thinking more about their first car than their first game and “Proper togetherness”
• Steve Bould and his dodgy toes, smashing Shearer out of sight of the ref, and the love of the crowd;

All this and much more! A class interview with a great lad!

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