This week Ellen sits down with pastry guru Ronnie Pessin, who has presided over Republique and currently manages a restaurant by Dominique Ansel, aka the man who invented the Cronut! She brought back up (sensible seeing as she and Ellen met in an uber) in the form of Candace Rubens, who weighs in with her own hospitality expertise.

First, David and Ellen make their 2020 wine resolutions. Ellen is going to pay more attention to vintages and David is going to actually drink the wine he has at home.

They all cheers with a Rosé de Loire by rockstar winemaker Thiboud Boudignan than get into a long ranging conversation heavy on the baked goods. Ever wonder what a Kouign Aman is? You’re about to learn.

This is one flakey, layered and dare we say juicy episode!

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