Disclaimer: This episode is not about strength, health, or the outdoors.

The conversation took hold around music. As we went down memory lane about our first phones and iPods, we went down the rabbit hole on a few things, including:

The FAA shutting down, music when we were young, old iPods are time machines, lots of Led Zeppelin, creativity's future now that AI programs are so popular, the value of becoming a craftsman, and a lot more.

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