Episode 26 goes long. Before Ross and Petar sit down with today’s guest, they check in on training, Chico summer heat, good miles, fresh pavement, and a running community that continues to absolutely crush.

BRC, CRC, Fleet Feet, Union Run Club, Colby Mountain TrailFest - the local scene is rolling.

There are some huge performances to celebrate, too. Nimei drops a 2:47 at the San Francisco Marathon. Logan Slack goes sub-five at the brutally steep Rodeo Valley 50K, finishing sixth overall and third in his age group. Maddy and California Travis battle through the Point Mariah Trail Marathon, and Beth puts together a strong day at the Napa to Sonoma Half.

Then the main event: Todd Ziegenmeyer - Tahoe Rim Trail 100 finisher, Canyons 100 finisher, mountain racer, real estate professional, gear obsessive, creator of Flow State apparel, and now a 25th-place finisher at the 2026 Tahoe 200, covering more than 200 miles in 68 hours, 30 minutes.

In this episode, Ross and Petar dive into Todd’s story from growing up in Sutter and his relationship with brother Logan to discovering ultrarunning, moving to Chico, and quietly building an impressive race résumé.

Then they go deep on Tahoe.

Todd breaks down why he chose 200 miles, what scared him going in, the heat, sleep deprivation, nutrition, hallucinations, dark miles, and the mental battles that come with spending nearly three straight days in the mountains. He also shares how his crew - including Mitch, Peter Hansen, Joey Skaggs, Matt Henderson, Logan Slack, Frank Rebelo, family, friends, and Whisky the dog - helped carry him through the toughest moments.

Todd is also the creator behind Flow State, an apparel project built around tear-off tank tops designed specifically with runners in mind. We dig into where the idea came from, the problem Todd wanted to solve, what “Flow State” means to him, and how his experience as a runner shapes the way he thinks about design. We also talk about the unofficial official ambassadors already rocking the tanks, whether he sees the brand staying local or growing into something bigger, and what’s next as Flow State moves from prototypes toward a wider launch.

Then court is officially in session with the debut of Trail Court, where Todd rules on Bluetooth speakers, shirtless running, walking climbs, zero-drop shoes, cold plunges, trail etiquette, and other alleged running crimes.

From Sutter to Chico, 100 miles to 200, real estate to Flow State — Episode 26 is the story of Todd Ziegenmeyer continuing to find out just how far he can go.

Episode 25 brings the heat. Before Ross and Petar sit down with today’s guest, they run through a stacked lineup of summer shoutouts because the Chico running community has been absolutely cooking. Tahoe 200, Dipsea, Broken Arrow, Headwaters, Lemurian, CRC, BRC, Fleet Feet — the whole region is buzzing, thriving, and leveling up.

Then the main event: Damian Garcia, one of the most complete runners to ever come through Chico State. A West Region champion, multi‑time CCAA champion, national finalist, and owner of one of the fastest 1500-meter times in Division II history. He’s run the equivalent of a sub‑four mile, shattered school records, and keeps finding new gears every season.

But Damian is more than the accolades. He’s the team barber. A pizza and burrito connoisseur. A fisherman. A Rubik’s Cube wizard. A grounded, humble athlete whose rise from Turlock to national prominence is one of the best stories in Wildcat history.

In this episode, Ross and Petar dive into Damian’s origin story — from growing up in Turlock and discovering his engine to finding home at Chico State and stepping into the national spotlight. They unpack the breakthrough races that changed everything, including his historic 3:35 at Azusa, the school‑record 800, and the West Region 10K title. Damian opens up about the mental game, the role his mom has played in his journey, and what keeps him coming back to the sport. The conversation explores the Chico State system, the teammates and coaches who shaped him, and the culture that makes the Wildcats different. They break down tactical mile scenarios, talk barber life, pizza missions, fishing stories, and Rubik’s Cube speed, and dig into the gear he trusts.

Damian reflects on his connection to the Chico running community, his preparation for the USA Championships, his long‑term dreams, and the future of his running career. He even delivers his entire running philosophy in exactly ten words before taking on the Pod on the Run Rubik’s Cube Challenge and Petar’s secret lightning round.

The episode closes with a look at who Damian Garcia is becoming and the legacy he hopes to leave.

Episode 24 is a full‑stride tour through the Chico running universe - community highs, big race breakthroughs, and the kind of mid‑life brilliance that only comes from someone who has lived enough life to know better… and run anyway.

We kick things off at Global Running Day, where Fleet Feet turned a free 5k into a full‑blown Chico reunion. The Chico Striders and Danny DiMeo handed out this year’s Run Strong Scholarships to local high‑school seniors, surrounded by sponsors like Bidwell Run Club, Chico Running Club, The Original A‑Team, and individual supporters Tracie Hannick and Christine Campbell. We grabbed interviews with Danny and a couple of the scholarship runners - and they’re sprinkled throughout the episode like perfectly timed aid‑station snacks.

As we hit record, Todd Ziegenmeyer was out representing Chico on the Tahoe 200 course - one of the wildest tests of grit in the sport.

Then we roll into race recaps. First up: Steven Hartman, who just obliterated a 50k in Oregon and brought back a perspective that’s equal parts grounded and gritty. After that, we caught up with Peter Hansen - The Form - fresh off a monster run at The Light at the End of the Tunnel Marathon, where he punched up his Boston Qualifying time like it owed him money.

Before we dive into our main guest, we look ahead at what’s coming up in the community: the Colby Mountain TrailFest with Bidwell Run Club and the 4th of July 5k hosted by Chico Running Club - both fueling and supporting the Run Strong Scholarship that keeps this whole ecosystem thriving.

And then… we get to Neil. This is where the episode earns its title: Sage Advice.

Neil is 60-3, but in running years he's the guy who shows up humble, quotes a study about aerobic development, and then drops you on a hill. He’s funny, wise, analytical, and somehow both modest and quietly unstoppable. He talks about growing up in Boston with the marathon practically baked into his DNA, his Carlsbad years, and the winding path from runner to the mortgage industry to lawyer to teacher… and back to runner.

He breaks down how he re‑engineered his running form, why he’s proud of the athlete he’s turning into, and how he plans to savor every mile from here on out. He studies the sport like it’s a master class - VO₂ max, cadence, ground contact, mechanics, progression, longevity - and yes, algebra is absolutely part of his joy.

And in classic Neil fashion, he drops a few dry, perfectly placed one‑liners about dating apps and mid‑life romance - the kind that sneak up on you and make you laugh out loud.

Then we hand him the chalk for Professor Neil, where he dishes out pop‑quiz answers, running truths, and a homework assignment guaranteed to make you a better runner (or at least a smarter one).

This episode is clever, heartfelt, funny, and full of the kind of perspective you only get from someone who’s lived a lot of life - and is running straight into the next chapter with joy, curiosity, and a very dialed‑in cadence.

Sage advice. Big laughs. A whole lot of heart. Lace up. Let’s run.

This episode is a celebration of community - the people who shape our races, carry us through the hard miles, and remind us that running is never a solo act. Through stories from Boston, Eugene, Big Sur, and the Mendocino Coast, these voices share how togetherness, weather, terrain, crowds, and crew support transform a race into something shared and deeply human. From the emotional simplicity of running side‑by‑side, to the internal negotiations of the middle miles, to the coastline that becomes a companion, to the ultra-community that turns endurance into belonging, each segment reveals a different way we’re held by the people around us. What emerges is a portrait of running as a communal experience—messy, joyful, reflective, chaotic, grounding, and always shaped by the “we” more than the “I.”

In the latest episode of Pod on the Run, Ross and Petar sit down with one of Chico’s most quietly iconic figures: Bill Parnell, the runner you’ve probably seen floating up North Rim with Fred or Leia trotting beside him. Bill is one of those rare Chico characters whose reputation reaches you long before the conversation does — the effortless stride, the calm presence, the stories that sound too wild to be true until he casually confirms them. From closing the Big Alta 100K with 8‑minute miles to completing twelve 100Ks, ten 50Ks, Western States, and Dacia UTMB® Mont Blanc 2023 – CCC, his running résumé is stacked, but it’s only one part of a much deeper, more introspective story.

Bill’s love for running didn’t begin with racing — it began on the Pacific Crest Trail. A full thru‑hike lit the spark, and in this episode, he shares the trail magic, his trail name, the characters he met, and the long, quiet days that shaped the way he thinks about movement and himself. That early adventure set the tone for a life built around curiosity and reflection, a life that eventually took him to Antarctica, where he worked for a season and ended up running a marathon at the South Pole. He also completed a 10‑day silent meditation retreat where he didn’t speak a single word — an experience that fits perfectly with the introspective way he moves through the world.

Running runs deep in his family, too. Bill talks about his dad — an incredible athlete who holds an American record for his age group — and how growing up around that kind of quiet excellence shaped his own approach to the sport. From his PV High cross‑country days to the Upper Park loops that forged him, from the Deerpen rocker era to becoming a legitimate bocce ball threat and poet, from Fred’s steady companionship to Leia’s lovable chaos, Bill’s story is full of texture, humor, and heart.

Throughout the conversation, Bill opens up about what running gives him, what ultras have taught him, how he thinks about suffering and joy, and why he keeps returning to the long stuff. Petar closes things out with a lightning round, and the episode ends with a look toward what’s next — the adventures, races, and unknowns Bill is quietly leaning toward.

It’s a conversation that’s grounded, surprising, and full of the kind of wisdom that only comes from a life lived everywhere from the PCT to the South Pole to the North Rim. This one moves like water.

In Episode 21 of Pod on the Run, we sit down with someone who helps more than one-thousand girls each year discover confidence through movement. Claire Johnson, Executive Director of Girls on the Run North State, is one of those rare leaders who doesn’t just run a program — she builds a community. Her story begins in a family of twelve, where she learned early how to listen, negotiate, and find her voice. Those skills now shape the way she leads coaches, volunteers, and teams across more than sixty sites from Yuba City to Yreka, creating spaces where girls feel seen, supported, and capable of more than they imagined.

Claire shares how Girls on the Run grew from Molly Barker’s original vision in 1996 — a curriculum designed to help girls reclaim their identity and emotional strength through movement — into a national force that has reached more than 2.5 million participants. We explore how GOTR blends running with life‑skills education, using kinesthetic learning to help girls navigate friendships, emotions, and the challenges of growing up in a world full of comparison and pressure. From the “friendship builder, tester, or breaker” conversations to the 10‑week arc that culminates in a Community Impact Project and a 5K, Claire brings to life what belonging looks like on a GOTR team.

We also dig into the scale and heart of the North State program: 1,000+ girls each year, more than 200 volunteer coaches, and a network of teams that stretch across rural, suburban, and small‑town communities. Claire talks about what it takes to support such a wide geographic footprint, the unique spirit of North State girls, and the moments that remind her why this work matters — especially in 2026, when confidence, identity, and emotional safety are more important than ever.

From the nervous energy at the starting line to the moment a girl realizes she can run farther than she thought, Claire paints a vivid picture of the transformation that happens when young people learn to trust their bodies, their voices, and their choices. We close with stories of leadership, community, and the joy of watching girls step into their own power — plus a fast‑paced lightning round with Petar to bring it home.

This episode is about confidence in motion, the adults who make that possible, and the girls who carry those lessons into every part of their lives.

For this special crossover episode, we laced up and headed out onto the North Rim Trail in Upper Bidwell Park, where we spent the morning hiking, talking, and filming with Nick Woodard of Tails, Ales & Trails. What started as a simple idea — two local podcasts meeting on a trail — turned into a reminder of how deeply movement, storytelling, and community intertwine.

Nick showed up with full production wizardry: selfie stick in hand, drone buzzing overhead, and the kind of smooth, on‑the‑move filming that makes a trail conversation feel like a cinematic experience. The miles flew by as we walked and talked, swapping stories about running culture, craft beer culture, and the people who make Chico’s outdoor community feel like home.

Tails, Ales & Trails is a podcast network dedicated to inspiring stories rooted in outdoor adventure, animals, and craft alcohol. Their episodes feature everyone from brewery owners to mountain bikers to extreme sport athletes, all centered on personal passion, community, and the great outdoors. Their vibe is equal parts curiosity, craftsmanship, and connection — and it shows in their polished production and the way they highlight the humans behind the hobbies.

Pod on the Run is our love letter to Chico’s running culture — the people pounding the trails and roads, the stories behind the miles, the community groups like Fleet Feet Chico and Bidwell Run Club, and the big existential questions like “Why do we even run?” We explore the heartbeat of this community through humor, honesty, and the kind of conversations that happen best while moving. That’s part of why this crossover made so much sense. Both podcasts orbit the same gravitational pull: people who show up, stories that matter, and communities built through shared rituals, whether that’s a run, a hike, or a post‑adventure pint. Running culture and brewery culture share the same DNA — connection, belonging, and the joy of gathering around something you love — and out on the North Rim Trail, that overlap became impossible to miss.

In this episode, we dig into the origin stories behind both podcasts, how outdoor spaces shape community, and the parallels between running culture and craft beer culture. We talk about the art of storytelling on the move, Nick’s slick filming setup (yes, including the drone), and why this crossover felt like two worlds naturally colliding. Two podcasts, one trail, and a shared love for movement, community, and the stories that bring people together.

Episode 19 of Pod on the Run traces the life of a man who rebuilt himself through discipline, imagination, service, and thousands of counter‑clockwise laps on a prison track. Joaquin Jordan grew up in Los Angeles during the height of the War on Drugs, raised by a single mother. He was a strong student and athlete, but the pull of addiction, identity, and survival dragged him into the justice system at fifteen. By adulthood, he was facing twenty‑five‑to‑life.

Inside those walls, Joaquin didn’t just survive - he went to work on himself. He studied relentlessly. He journaled daily. He led groups, facilitated conversations, and became a source of stability for people who had never known it. And in the middle of all that, he found a lifeline in an unexpected place: Runner’s World magazine. Each issue became a window into a world he had never touched. He tore out the annual mileage log and filled it with his runs. He cut out photos of runners moving through forests, parks, and cityscapes, taping them to his cell wall. Those images became his vision board - a map of the life he wanted but had never lived.

Every day, on a cambered asphalt track where you could only run counter‑clockwise, he imagined himself running in those places. He pictured the trees, the air, the freedom. Running became structure, identity, and hope. He ran twenty‑five marathons in twenty‑five weeks. He earned four AA degrees. He built programs that changed lives inside the facility. He became a counselor, a mentor, and a leader long before he ever stepped outside the gate.

His transformation was so undeniable that the governor granted him clemency for good behavior. Joaquin walked out of prison on a Friday and started college at Chico State the following Monday. Today, he’s an executive coach, counselor, consultant, statewide leader, and a law‑school student, using his lived experience to serve people navigating the same systems he once fought to survive. He also earned a bachelor's degree.

And those Runner’s World photos? He’s running in those places now. One of them was Lower Park in Chico — a route he once only knew from a magazine page taped above his bed. Today, he runs it regularly. He literally ran into his dream.

This episode walks through every chapter of that arc: growing up in LA during the War on Drugs, the descent into addiction and incarceration, the emotional hinge moment when he chose to change, the reality of prison life and the discipline it demanded, the birth of a runner on a prison track, the power of imagination and vision boards, the shock of re‑entry, the rise of a counselor and coach, the pursuit of law school, and the full‑circle moment of running the routes he once only dreamed of. It’s a story about movement as medicine, imagination as survival, and the power of choosing identity over circumstance. Joaquin Jordan didn’t just rebuild his life — he ran toward it, one lap at a time.

In Episode 18 of Ross and Petar’s Pod on the Run, the hosts sit down with legendary Chico State head coach Gary Towne, the man behind one of the most dominant dynasties in collegiate distance running. After a quick warm‑up on the latest running news and local chatter, they dive into Gary’s staggering résumé—23 straight conference titles (men), 20 of the last 23 West Region titles (men), 19 of the last 23 CCAA titles (women), 11 women’s regional titles, 31 combined regional titles, 42 combined CCAA titles, and 43 Top‑10 NCAA team finishes between the two genders since 1999. Both teams have qualified for NCAA’s together every year since 2000.

Gary begins by sharing his own story: growing up in Corning, discovering running at Shasta College almost by accident, and eventually becoming a very strong marathoner. He talks about the endurance adventures that shaped his toughness and empathy—most notably his “Everest on Cohasset” ride—and how staying fit continues to influence his coaching today.

The conversation explores the foundations of the Chico State XC machine: the early years, the culture he built, and the principles that have kept the program consistently elite. Gary opens up about managing a roster of 50 athletes, navigating confidence dips and injuries, and the human side of coaching that often goes unseen. He also breaks down his training philosophy, the importance of Chico’s trails and terrain, and the moment he realized he was building something special.

The episode moves into recruiting, where Gary discusses what he looks for beyond times, how the landscape has changed, and how he pitches Chico State to athletes who may not know the program’s history. He shares memorable stories from meets, unforgettable races, and the athletes who left a lasting impact, while reflecting on why Chico remains home despite opportunities elsewhere.

Things wrap up with fun segments like Coach Confessions, Myth or Fact, and Petar’s rapid‑fire round, giving listeners a mix of insight, humor, and behind‑the‑scenes stories. It’s a rare, engaging look into the mind of a coach who didn’t just build a successful program—he built a dynasty.

Episode 17 brings us an important conversation with Dr. Alan Hivale — a Chico‑based physical therapist with a doctorate from Loma Linda, 15+ years in outpatient ortho, and a concierge practice built around one mission: keep people doing what they love.

The episode kicks off with classic Pod on the Run banter and a little Chico runner appreciation. Congrats Neil and Nimai on crushing the Redding Marathon! From there, Alan jumps in with his background, his philosophy, and why he built a PT model that actually gives runners time, attention, and answers.

From that point on, the episode becomes a runner’s goldmine.

You’ll hear Alan break down the most common injuries he sees in Chico — what causes them, why they linger, and what runners get wrong. Then comes Rapid‑Fire Rehab Roulette, where we throw a few injuries at Alan and he fires back with quick, practical first steps for relieving the issues! No WebMD spirals required.

The conversation then shifts into the myths runners love to argue about: warm‑ups, stretching, plyos, and whether “knees over ankles” is actually a thing.

Mid‑episode, things get delightfully unhinged with PT Confessions - the most avoidable injuries, the advice he ignores himself, and the hill he’ll die on as a PT.

You’ll also hear Alan unpack what runners should actually do after a run, which recovery tools matter, and which ones belong in the “it’s a personality trait” category. The hosts put him through Keep It, Toss It, Upgrade It with foam rollers, massage guns, compression boots, and epsom salt baths.

One of the most memorable sections dives into Alan’s time running in Africa - the terrain, the culture, the surprises, and the lessons he brought back to his practice and his own training.

As the episode winds down, Alan talks about Inspire Physical Therapy’s role in the local running community and what he’s excited about in 2026.

Finally, Petar closes things out with his signature rapid‑fire questions before the hosts wrap what they learned, and how listeners can enter the episode’s performance‑sunglasses giveaway.

If you run, want to run, or have ever been injured while running, this episode is your new favorite long run companion.