
Chris and Andrew catch up after a couple of soul-satisfying weekends away in the desert, reconnecting with what’s important in life and considering the prospect of what will never be.



Next, our dear friend Caroline Treadway joins us to discuss her bold new film LIGHT, which tackles the subject of eating disorders in climbing through very honest and personal narratives, including her own.



After a heavy episode, we end on a lighter note with another edition of Whose PASSAAT! Is This Anyway?



Show Notes



* Watch LIGHT on YouTube.* Follow Caroline Treadway and the LIGHT film on Instagram.* The Hayden Fund* Read “Climbing for the Likes: The Social Media Trap” on Evening Sends.





RunOut #56: Shining Light on Eating Disorders in Climbing

Only interesting conversations about climbing. With Chris Kalous and Andrew Bisharat.

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After Rock and Ice and Climbing magazines stopped printing issues, a hole was left in the climbing media landscape. Enter Michael Levy, a writer based in New York City and a former editor at Rock and Ice. He has recently revived Summit Journal, and reimagined it as a heavy stock climbing magazine for climbers today. We talk about climbing media and the viability of print, and what it takes to make it in today’s digital world.



But first, yr crooked-helmet wearing hosts talk about Gumbies. What are they? Who are they? Why are they? And why does Alex Honnold think Gumby is such a joyous term. Strap in for the definitive lesson in how to not be such a Gumby—even though you’ll never not be one.



Last, we’re psyched to share the music of climber / producer Smith Curry, a session player and producer for Willie Nelson, Taylor Swift, Maren Morris, Dolly Parton, Pharrell Williams, Kid Rock, Jason Aldean and 200+ more.



Show Notes



Summit Journal



Follow Summit Journal on Instagram



Follow Michael Levy on Instagram



Follow Smith Curry on Instagram



Smith Curry



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RunOut #125: Michael Levy Brings Back Summit Journal; Plus, the Definitive Gumby Episode


Last fall, Jesse Grupper took home the gold medal at the Pan Am games, securing his spot on Team USA for the Paris Olympics in 2024. Now just a few months out from the Games, we caught up with Jesse to hear about how he is preparing and getting psyched to represent our country in lead and bouldering at the Olympics—all while balancing life as a mechanical engineer pushing the limits of soft robotics to improve people’s lives.



But first, yr sticky, sweet podcast hosts get into a debate about glue and when it’s appropriate to use it to fix boulder problems that break. This discussion comes after one of Colorado’s oldest and most historic boulder problems broke, and locals put the question to the community for a vote.



Buster Jesik, IFMGA / AMGA mountain guide, lays down a sick drum track for today’s final bit.



Show Notes



Jesse Grupper Wins PanAM



Watch Jesse flash Livin' Astro



Follow Jesse Grupper on Instagram



Mental Standard Has Broken — Instagram



Mental Standard — Mountain Project



Mountain Project Thread



Follow Buster Jesik on Instagram, Youtube, or contact him for guiding buster@coloradomountainschool.com



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RunOut 124: How Jesse Grupper is getting Psyched and Ready for the next Olympics


Our guest today is #71 for the New York Jets: Wes Schweitzer, an offensive guard whose injuries sent him down a curious path of recovery: rock climbing. Since discovering the sport, Wes has fallen in love with climbing and uses it as a tool to improve his performance on and off the field. At 6’4” 330-pounds, Wes is considered one of the strongest lineman in the game, putting up 765-pound deadlifts well over twice his body weight. As a true professional athlete, Wes delivers some fascinating insights into how both football and climbing training mentalities could benefit from each other.



But first, yr favorite climbing podcasters play a game of Fuck, Marry, Kill with climbing gear.



Our final bit is a track from Harris Freif called “Tortillas and Peanut Butter” off his album Guitar 2.



Show Notes



Follow Wes Schweitzer on Instagram and Twitter



“Meet the 330-pound NFL Lineman Addicted to Rock Climbing”



Check out Harris Freif on Spotify







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RunOut 123: How NFL Lineman Wes Schweitzer Uses Rock Climbing to Move Better and Get Stronger


Will Moss is a comp climber turned traddie from New York City, who has been quietly ticking some of the hardest gear-protected routes in the country over the past couple of years. His most recent notable ascent is the FA of the Gunks hardest: The Best Things in Life Are Free (5.14d R). 



But first, we wind our way into a discussion about the elusive “undercover crusher,” and whether this mythical beast actually climbed the thing before everyone else, or if this is just what some bro is saying in order to take you down a peg or two.



Last, we’re honored to feature the atmospheric music of climber and musician Jessica Kilroy, with her track “It’s Infinite.”



Show Notes



Follow Will Moss on Instagram



William Moss, 18, Establishes 5.14d R Trad in the Gunks via Climbing Magazine



R-Rated: 5.14 Climbing on Marginal Gear on YouTube



About James Litz



Nacho Sanchez on Instagram



Follow Jessica Kilroy on Instagram



Jessica Kilroy Bandcamp



Jessica Kilroy on Spotify



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Will Moss on Brozone (5.14b) at the Gunks. Photo by Gregory Berg 

RunOut 122: Will Moss Leaves No Stone Unclimbed


Today’s guest is a climbing icon and legend: the great Beth Rodden. Beth was a youth national comp champ who went on to become one of the greatest female climbers of her time, with important first free ascents of El Cap and single-pitch trad test pieces such as Meltdown, a 5.14c crack that many say is harder and took a decade before it was repeated. Her new book is called A Light Through the Cracks.



But first we talk about the elusive “all-around” climber, with Bronwyn Hodgins at the top of mind. What does it take to be considered a great all-around climber? And is that the future for what we demand of our top-end climbers?



Today’s final bit comes courtesy of the extremely talented Beezer (aka Mason Earle) with the track Loggersports.



Show Notes



Follow Beth Rodden on Instagram



Pre-order A Light Through the Cracks from an independent book store or big one



Follow Bronwyn Hodgins on Instagram



News / post about Bronwyn’s latest redpoint



Watch Bronwyn and Jacob Cook free climb a big wall



Follow Mason Earle on Instagram



Check out Beezer on YouTube 



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RunOut #56: Shining Light on Eating Disorders in Climbing

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