A mysterious Russian offers Catalonia’s president $500 billion and 10,000 armed soldiers to make the break from Spain and create a cryptocurrency haven. This in the days running up to an historic vote to declare independence from Spain.

In this episode, Nick Wallis talks with journalists Antonio Baquero, Marc Marginedas and Lorenzo Bagnoli on how they tracked down the man pro-independence leaders called “Putin’s envoy” across Spain, Italy, and Russia — unveiling his past as a Russian diplomat with a history of representing the Kremlin.

We also hear from Institute for Statecraft senior fellow Nico de Pedro on how Russia used Catalonia’s independence movement in an attempt to destabilize Spain, as well as how ordinary Catalans felt when interference from the Kremlin was revealed.

Dirty Deeds is a Little Gem production for OCCRP. The host is Nick Wallis. The producers were Lindsay Riley and Ollie Peart, with research from Phoebe Adler-Ryan and Riham Moussa, at Rethink Audio.

Read the investigation:

• https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations/fueling-secession-promising-bitcoins-how-a-russian-operator-urged-catalonian-leaders-to-break-with-madrid

This week’s guests

• Antonio Baquero - @antoniobaqueroi
• Marc Marginedas - @marcmarginedas
• Lorenzo Bagnoli - @Lorenzo_Bagnoli
• Nico de Pedro - @nicolasdepedro

Transcript

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[00:00] Introduction

[03:40] Antonio Baquera and Marc Marginedas explain how they began investigating Russian interest in Catalonia

[05:26] A profile of Victor Terredellas, key figure in the story

[08:38] How “Putin’s envoy” Nikolai Sadovnikov came to reporters’ attention

[11:52] Why are there ties between Catalonian independence leaders and the Russian government?

[15:36] Lorenzo Bagnoli explains Sadovnikov’s past as a diplomat in Italy

[20:41] A profile of Jordi Sardà Bonvehí, who accompanied Sadovnikov during his meeting with Catalonia’s separatist leader Carles Puigdemont

[23:42] How the reporters managed to interview Sadovnikov

[26:30] The effect of the story on the Catalonian independence movement, Italian mafia and Carlos Puigdemont

[31:23] Nico de Pedro explains why he and others are against Catalonian independence

[34:02] How the Catalonian independence movement is used by the Russian government to destabilize Spain

[36:56] How do ordinary Catalans feel about Russian interference in Catalonian independence?

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