Diyora Shadijanova (@TheDiyora) talks with Dutch Historian and Author of Humankind: A Hopeful History, Rutger Bregman (https://twitter.com/rcbregman).

They dissect his theory that “most people, deep down, are pretty decent”, how perfectionism forced him to change his mind on parts of the book, and how he dealt with the backlash of recounting the story of ‘Real Lord of The Flies.

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In next month’s book club we’ll be discussing Afropean: Notes from Black Europe by Johny Pitts, so get reading now and send in your thoughts and comments via voice-note to [email protected]

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