In this emergency podcast, we read the tea leaves on Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke’s secret report on eviscerating national monuments, and look ahead to what a prolonged legal battle might look like.

Our guests are Nada Culver, Senior Counsel and Director of the BLM Action Center at the Wilderness Society; and Matt Lee-Ashley, Senior Fellow and Senior Director of Environmental Strategy and Communications at the Center for American Progress.

* More: Interior Department thanks the Koch Brothers for praising Ryan Zinke’s park-killing report

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Host/producer: Aaron Weiss

Music: Purple Planet