What happens when former prison officers and inmates sit down, listen properly, and talk honestly?In this final episode of Rodney’s Hope in Hell interviews, Rodney, Gary, Tom and Len reflect on crime, prison culture, rehabilitation and the missed opportunities within the system. They discuss why prison officers often never get the time to understand the men they work with, why policy makers need to hear lived experience, and why the glamour sometimes attached to crime hides a much darker reality.Rodney’s message is clear: there is another pathway.A powerful closing conversation about accountability, regret, hope and change.