In this episode, Rod and Lesley explore the concept of the elephant and the rider that was popularized by Chip and Dan Heath and developed by Jonathan Haigt.  The Elephant is your emotions, and the rider is your logic brain that tries to get the big elephant of emotions.  Good luck with that.  As always, they shine different light on concepts and come up with an important new interpretation - it is not about trying to keep the rider in total control, it is about finding the balance for both be part of the whole.   References made to Chip and Dan Heath, the Elephant and the Rider concept, and the podcast Two Psychologists Four Beers