In this episode, I am joined by Rogelio Adame, Principal of Cesar Chavez Junior High School and Steve Merchant, Principal of Whitmore Charter School in Ceres, CA. Both principals attended the Building Thinking Classrooms Conference in Franklin, Indiana in June along with some teachers and instructional coaches from the Ceres Unified School District. We discuss some of the takeaways from the conference and talk about how the BTC practices can change the culture of thinking and learning in their schools. We discuss student engagement, using evidence of learning for grading, and...of course...how the BTC practices can help in their roles as leaders and evaluators of teachers.