So what happened with our brilliant side business ideas? Kate & Katherine discuss progress on making cash to fund the podcast, and ultimately decide on an entirely different approach. But is it all just another way to avoid writing their next books?

Next, Kate speaks with Canberra writer & editor Irma Gold on writing for adults and children, her editing brain and how much of your heart is published with your book.

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