Deaconess Michelle Downey joins Steph and Andy to talk about the differences and similarities between guilt and shame, and how to respond to both when they creep into our relationships. Bio:Deaconess Michelle Downey serves as Executive Director at Concordia Counseling: A Lutheran Outreach Ministry. Concordia Counseling exists to provide Biblically sound, clinically effective, and financially affordable counseling services. Michelle is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC) in the State of Indiana. She received her Master's Degree in Counseling & Educational Psychology from Marquette University and Master's Degree in Deaconess Studies from Concordia Theological Seminary - Fort Wayne (CTSFW). Michelle and her husband, Patrick, have five children (Elizabeth, Ann Marie, Caroline, Victoria, and Michael) and attend Immanuel Lutheran Church in Seymour, IN. Resources:Email us at [email protected] Life Ministry: lcms.org/lifeLCMS Family Ministry: lcms.org/family Find Concordia Counseling on lcms.org/rso Not all the views expressed are necessarily those of the LCMS; please discuss any questions with your pastor.