Lisa and Fred are joined by Jason Ponsonby, Senior Vice President of Company Production at American Pacific Mortgage, for a conversation all about leadership, growth, and knowing when it's time to pivot.

They dive into what makes a strong leader, why adaptability matters more than ever, and how the ability to shift — in both business and life — can be the key to long-term success. From leading teams to navigating change, this episode is full of insight for anyone looking to grow without staying stuck.

Pour a glass, soak it in, and let's talk about the power of the pivot.

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