In episode 5, I welcome the Rev. Dr. Andy Burnette, senior pastor at Valley Unitarian Universalist Congregation in Chandler, Arizona, and a good friend. He is a part of the post-graduate program at the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family, across from Georgetown University where Dr. Bowen practiced. He shares his transition from a pentecostal upbringing to the Nazarene Church to Unitarian Universalism as a Christian. He hosts a podcast called The Long Haul, available on Apple Podcasts, Buzzfeed, and where you get your podcasts.