Mastering Therapy

S1E8: Working with Perfectionism | with Natalie Englander


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Are you a perfectionist?

This episode explores perfectionism with senior CBT therapist Natalie Englander. They discuss different types of perfectionism, as outlined by Roz Shafran, but also unqiue insights on how perfectionsm can manifest. The conversation explores perfectionism through a CBT lens including cognitive restructuring, behavioural experiments, and the importance of flexibility in therapy. Packed with professional wisdom and actionable advice, this episode is a must-listen.

Highlights include:

02:16 Types of perfectionism

06:36 Perfectionism in therapy

08:21 Exploring core beliefs and cognitive restructuring

28:15 Behavioural experiments and practical applications

32:35 Recommended resources

** Guest Info **

Natalie Englander's website here

The perfectionism therapist Instagram

Follow Natalie Englander on Linkedin


Resources discussed

CBT model of perfectionism

BOOK: Perfectionist's Guide to Losing Control by Katherine Morgan Schafler

Egan, S. J., Wade, T. D., Shafran, R., & Antony, M. M. (2014). Cognitive-behavioral treatment of perfectionism. The Guilford Press.






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