Paul and Tania talk with Rina Campbell; an expert in racial sensitivity training and racial bias. She is half white, half Filipina, married to a German man and went to highschool with Paul's wife. We talk about her experiences in a household with two ethnicities, going to all White schools and code-switching. She also shares why some white people are uncomfortable identifying as white within affinity groups. @40:55 Paul makes a great point about the distinction between shame and guilt. Tania wonders when it comes to the police and racial bias training Tania asks, "Can we undo our cognitive responses? Because they are the ones with he guns."