Australian Design Radio and Never Not Creative hosts Matt Leach and Andy Wright found themselves in Brisbane together at The Design Conference. Therefore, it was a no-brainer to combine mics and interview the founders of Ustwo, Sinx and Mills about the ups and downs of running a business and what it's like to do all of that as best mates.

You can follow Ustwo and Mills at @ustwo or @millsustwo - thanks to the guys for such a great chat!

Thanks to @Streamtime for making a lot of what we do happen.