Naomi meets Kreena whose epic journey to motherhood involved breast cancer, heart failure and surrogacy.

They discuss: the impact cancer can have on fertility, the gamble of delaying treatment to explore IVF, choosing between freezing eggs and freezing embryos, meeting her surrogate, the bond that grew with her surrogate, the pressure of needing IVF to work.

Make sure you listen right to the end to hear how this story has developed since the interview.