It’s clear no one came out of this season a winner. Pure pain all around. Except maybe Michelle — a future Bachelorette! Listen to Whitney and Camille break down the final episode of Season 25. We start with a conversation about Patty Dion and John the Scorpio’s unexpected warmth and solid question asking before sending Matt into a spiral of doubt. We discuss the end of Matt and Michelle and talk at length about Matt not being ready “until his light is on “ (a lá SATC). Finally on the topic of ATFR, we discuss the impossibly horrible position Matt was put in, and completely understand when he gives us the longest silence in the history of television. Same, Matt. Same. 

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