Mastering Therapy

S2E11: Knowing and not knowing | Systemic ideas in therapy with Ged Smith


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Do you approach therapy as an expert? Do you assume a position of knowing what's going on for someone?

This episode welcomes Ged, an experienced family therapist, to discuss the balance of knowing and not knowing in therapy. Hosted by Dr. Natalie Stott, the conversation looks at how to handle uncertainty, the use of questions in systemic practice, and why sometimes “not knowing” can be as important as having the answer. The discussion gives practical examples of embedded questions, playful approaches for working with children, and how to manage stuck sessions.

Ged also introduces the concept of “1.5 order therapy” working in the grey area between being the expert and being a collaborator. Simple and practical, this episode offers tools for both family and individual therapists to help clients open up, look at problems differently, and create safety in therapy.

Highlights include:

01:35 Embedded questions and reflexive thinking

04:26 Using challenge and managing rupture in therapy

08:30 Handling “I don’t know” responses in therapy

17:52 What is 1.5 order therapy?

30:47 Themes vs. details in therapy sessions


Guest Info

Ged Smith is a senior family therapist with expertise in systemic practice and collaborative work in therapy. He is known for his practical approach and clear way of explaining the use of collaboration and curiosity in therapy sessions.


For more on Ged's work and publications: HERE

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