We indulge ourselves with a whinge about lockdown life in Melbourne, but endeavour to leave you on a high with some excellent news!

Then Kate speaks with award winning writer Zana Fraillon in a blissful face to face discussion (for the brief moment that was allowed!). They discuss feeling like you've 'fluked it', writing what burns and the creative process in Zana's backyard studio where she has most recently written The Lost Soul Atlas.

We know you'll understand that this episode has a different quality of audio than you are used to from us. Eventually we'll get back to studio sound, but until then forgive us the odd crackle!

 

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