In this episode, Rod and Lesley continue their discussion inspired by theoretical physicist Carol Rovelli (wiki bio).  The revelation is that the 'grammar of thinking about the world is change, not of permanence. Not of being but of becoming. The world is not a collection of things; it is a collection of events" (C Rovelli).  For these two podcasters about change, and helping people understand change - mind blow sound effect.  

Discussion ensues around coming to grips with the idea that the physics of the universe and time is aligned with human need to evolve and change.  

Production note - the audio is a little different this time due to Rod's recording studio.  You will also hear at times some sound interference, which is a dog licking the microphone - as they are want to do.