This episode Kate and Katherine talk covid (ugh, again), retreat/workshop envy and what they're reading / watching / listening to.   

The Featured Book segment is brought to you by Harper Collins Australia and we talk to award winning writer and journalist Felicity McLean about her new book Red.  

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