This episode Kate and Katherine are IN THE SAME ROOM, hiding out beachside, going to book parties and working on their next books. Amid their bookish activities they take time out to discuss dealing with cancelled book events, how Katherine is progressing with her creative dates and (Katherine's) rules for criticising books that have sold 5 million copies. Heaps of recommendations and a few giggles as per usual.

This episode's featured book segment is brought to you by UWA Publishing and we are delighted to be talking to Josh Kemp about his debut novel, Australian gothic fiction, Banjawarn.

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