Political Consultant and Speechwriter Brian Franklin knows a thing or two about the impact words can have, and the existential dread and barely repressed frustration of Matt Berninger's lyrics paired with his band The National's viscerally elegant music hits him in all the right places. We discuss the Brooklyn-by-way-of-Cincinnati band's breakout 2013 album 'Trouble Will Find Me' in this slow-burner of an episode. "If I stay here I'll never leave If I stay here trouble will find me I believe..."

Songs featured in this episode: A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours - The Smiths; All Your Tone Is Wrong - The Rat Opera; Mr. November - The National; Push The Sky Away - Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds; I Should Live in Salt, Demons, Don't Swallow the Cap, Fireproof, Sea of Love, Heavenfaced, This Is the Last Time, Graceless, Slipped, I Need My Girl, Humiliation, Pink Rabbits, Hard to Find - The National; Cardigan - Taylor Swift; Outside This Bar - Mark Eitzel; Vanderlyle Crybaby Geeks - The National