HistoryChatter enters into contemporary history in this special episode. Anirban speaks to political scientists Prof. Sudha Pai and Dr. Sajjan Kumar on the recent past and prospects of Dalit politics in Uttar Pradesh. Pai and Kumar have recently published the much-acclaimed book 'Maya, Modi and Azad: Dalit Politics in the Time of Hindutva'.
They argue that the Bahujan Samaj Party is probably in a terminal decline and Dalits in Uttar Pradesh now display a unique paradox of political preference for the BJP in elections and political protest against perceived atrocities under the leadership of a new generation of leaders such as Chandrasekhar Azad Ravan.
They spoke in detail about how this unique transformation gradually took place since the 1990s.

Finally, they argue that the multiple faces of Dalit politics are not an exception, but possibly the norm. Extension of larger political and economic processes such as globalization is one of the factors behind what they see as a fragmentation of the Dalit self which they portray as a sign of deepening democracy.

Pai and Kumar make these and many more points in the course of an engaging conversation with Anirban against the background of their new book.

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