This episode we talk to pop culture, TV writer and Real Housewives guru, Brian Moylan.

Brian Moylan is the New York Times best-selling author of The Housewives: The Real Story Behind the Real Housewives and has written about television and pop culture for the New York Times, The Guardian, Vice, NBC News, and a few outlets that are NSFW.

Katherine and Brian discuss: 

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