Keith starts the chat with the wonderful encouraging topic of surviving another layoff. Keith pours some out and then made it rain.

Jamie chats about being at a large client and the different shenanigans he has to deal with. He then talks about his amazing trip to Norway for NDC Oslo.

Keith and Jamie then chat about maybe stopping this podcast? You'll have to listen I guess.

Keith talks about his tool-sharpening solution. It's a good one if you're a nerd.

Links

* Shopify layoff [https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/04/shopify-cuts-20percent-of-its-workforce-shares-surge-on-earnings-beat.html]

* NDC Oslo [https://ndcoslo.com/]

* Jamie's Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/jwright419/]

* A Man Called Otto [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7405458/]

* Rick Rubin [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin]

* The Creative Act: A Way of Being [https://a.co/d/3hdxbJG]

* Elixir 1.15 [https://github.com/elixir-lang/elixir/releases/tag/v1.15.0-rc.0]

* Toy Alchemist [https://github.com/jwright/toy_alchemist]