Michael Beck is the pastor of Gracenet Community Church in Wellington, New Zealand (www.gracenet.co.nz)

Nick Clevely is the pastor of Covenant Grace Baptist Church in Timaru, New Zealand (www.covenantgracebaptist.church)

Music on this podcast was written by Jeremy Casella and performed by Indelible Grace. You can listen to more from Indelible Grace and Jeremy Casella by searching on Spotify or Apple Music."

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