Mike, André and Nick settle in for an unhurried conversation that starts with a theological question about AI (will there be technology in the new creation, or is AI more weapon than calculator?) and opens out into the big one: how Lewis, Tolkien and the early church fathers held together two statements that sound like rivals, that Christianity is the only true religion and that Christianity is the most true religion. Along the way: Cain's cities and demonically taught knowledge, Silicon Valley shamanism, Peace Child and redemptive analogies, a Muslim Uber driver who oozed wisdom, Pharaoh, Jethro and the Magi, the UK's so-called quiet revival, The Myth of Disenchantment, and why seekers hungry for the supernatural walk past Reformed churches. André closes with a teaser: semper reformanda means retrieving a fully re-enchanted Reformed theology.

Awesome music by Jeremy Casella.

Two Age Sojourner is back. After a long break, Mike, André and Nick pull three chairs back up to the kitchen table for an unhurried, unpolished conversation about theology, the kind you would overhear in a big dining hall. This relaunch episode is partly a "why are we doing this" reset and partly a map of where the show is going: a Reformed Baptist, Klinean conversation that does not pretend to have it all worked out.

Along the way they talk about why Meredith Kline's reading of Scripture still matters (church and state, how to read the Bible, and how Kline unexpectedly prepared them to read the church fathers), the two-register cosmology of the visible and invisible realms, and why spirituality is booming on every side at once, from a revival of conservative Christianity to the rise of paganism, shamanism and DMT "other realm" experiences. They lay out the "study hall" idea, an in-person and online alternative to the conference and the struggling seminary pipeline, and make the case for honest conversation that concedes points to the other side instead of chasing the gotcha moment.

It closes with Nick's upcoming Kennedy Creed conference, a look at the Christian nationalism debate, and a teaser for a future conversation on paganism as pre-Christian preparation, C.S. Lewis and Tolkien, and the retrieval questions around Islam and nationalism.

HOSTS

Michael Beck, Gracenet Community Church, Wellington, New Zealand - https://www.gracenet.co.nz

André Beck, Bethesda Baptist Church, Felixstowe, UK - https://www.bethesdafelixstowe.com

Nick Clevely, Covenant Grace Baptist Church, Timaru, New Zealand - https://www.covenantgracebaptist.church

CHAPTERS

00:00 Intro

00:25 We're back

02:33 How podcasting changed

07:59 Why Kline still matters

10:32 Kline brings everyone to the table

14:12 Andre's PhD and the invisible realms

15:23 Spirituality is booming

17:51 The name: Two Age Sojourner

19:59 Upping the game (and YouTube)

23:40 The study hall idea

30:17 Greystone (and a He-Man detour)

32:29 The seminary pipeline problem

39:11 After truth, not winning

42:50 Nick's conference and Christian nationalism

48:02 Paganism, C.S. Lewis, and Islam (next time)

Website: https://www.gracenet.co.nz

Subscribe: [DRAFT: hosts to confirm the YouTube channel handle]

#reformedtheology #meredithkline #christianpodcast

Two-age Sojourner is hosted by Michael Beck, the pastor of Gracenet Community Church, Wellington, New Zealand (www.gracenet.co.nz).

Each week (well, most weeks), Mike is joined on his pilgrimage by three co-hosts. 

Nick Clevely is the pastor of Covenant Grace Baptist Church in Timaru, New Zealand (www.covenantgracebaptist.church). 

André Beck (yes, he’s Mike’s brother) is pastor of Bethesda Baptist Church in Felixstowe, UK (www.bethesdafelixstowe.com).

Music on this podcast was written by Jeremy Casella and performed by Indelible Grace. 

You can listen to more from Indelible Grace and Jeremy Casella by searching on Spotify or Apple Music."  

For more info, check out www.twoagesojourner.com.

The article being discussed can be found here: https://meredithkline.com/files/articles/The-Feast-of-Cover-Over.pdf

Two-age Sojourner is hosted by Michael Beck, the pastor of Gracenet Community Church, Wellington, New Zealand (www.gracenet.co.nz).

Each week (well, most weeks), Mike is joined on his pilgrimage by three co-hosts. Nick Clevely is the pastor of Covenant Grace Baptist Church in Timaru, New Zealand (www.covenantgracebaptist.church). André Beck (yes, he’s Mike’s brother) is pastor of Bethesda Baptist Church in Felixstowe, UK (www.bethesdafelixstowe.com).

Music on this podcast was written by Jeremy Casella and performed by Indelible Grace. You can listen to more from Indelible Grace and Jeremy Casella by searching on Spotify or Apple Music."

For more info, check out www.twoagesojourner.com.

The book being discussed can be found here: https://www.amazon.com.au/Reformed-Covenant-Theology-Systematic-Introduction/dp/1683597338

Two-age Sojourner is hosted by Michael Beck, the pastor of Gracenet Community Church, Wellington, New Zealand (www.gracenet.co.nz).

Each week (well, most weeks), Mike is joined on his pilgrimage by three co-hosts. 

Nick Clevely is the pastor of Covenant Grace Baptist Church in Timaru, New Zealand (www.covenantgracebaptist.church). 

André Beck (yes, he’s Mike’s brother) is pastor of Bethesda Baptist Church in Felixstowe, UK (www.bethesdafelixstowe.com).

Music on this podcast was written by Jeremy Casella and performed by Indelible Grace. 

You can listen to more from Indelible Grace and Jeremy Casella by searching on Spotify or Apple Music."  

For more info, check out www.twoagesojourner.com.

The article being discussed can be found here: https://meredithkline.com/klines-works/articles-and-essays/death-leviathan-and-martyrs-isaiah-24/

Two-age Sojourner is hosted by Michael Beck, the pastor of Gracenet Community Church, Wellington, New Zealand (www.gracenet.co.nz).

Each week (well, most weeks), Mike is joined on his pilgrimage by three co-hosts. 

Nick Clevely is the pastor of Covenant Grace Baptist Church in Timaru, New Zealand (www.covenantgracebaptist.church). 

André Beck (yes, he’s Mike’s brother) is pastor of Bethesda Baptist Church in Felixstowe, UK (www.bethesdafelixstowe.com).

Music on this podcast was written by Jeremy Casella and performed by Indelible Grace. 

You can listen to more from Indelible Grace and Jeremy Casella by searching on Spotify or Apple Music."  

For more info, check out www.twoagesojourner.com.

Two-age Sojourner is hosted by Michael Beck, the pastor of Gracenet Community Church, Wellington, New Zealand (www.gracenet.co.nz).

Each week (well, most weeks), Mike is joined on his pilgrimage by three co-hosts. 

Nick Clevely is the pastor of Covenant Grace Baptist Church in Timaru, New Zealand (www.covenantgracebaptist.church). 

André Beck (yes, he’s Mike’s brother) is pastor of Bethesda Baptist Church in Felixstowe, UK (www.bethesdafelixstowe.com).

Music on this podcast was written by Jeremy Casella and performed by Indelible Grace. 

You can listen to more from Indelible Grace and Jeremy Casella by searching on Spotify or Apple Music."  

For more info, check out www.twoagesojourner.com.

Two-age Sojourner is hosted by Michael Beck, the pastor of Gracenet Community Church, Wellington, New Zealand (www.gracenet.co.nz).

Each week (well, most weeks), Mike is joined on his pilgrimage by three co-hosts. 

Nick Clevely is the pastor of Covenant Grace Baptist Church in Timaru, New Zealand (www.covenantgracebaptist.church). 

André Beck (yes, he’s Mike’s brother) is pastor of Bethesda Baptist Church in Felixstowe, UK (www.bethesdafelixstowe.com).

Music on this podcast was written by Jeremy Casella and performed by Indelible Grace. 

You can listen to more from Indelible Grace and Jeremy Casella by searching on Spotify or Apple Music."  

For more info, check out www.twoagesojourner.com.

Two-age Sojourner is hosted by Michael Beck, the pastor of Gracenet Community Church, Wellington, New Zealand (www.gracenet.co.nz).

Each week (well, most weeks), Mike is joined on his pilgrimage by three co-hosts. 

Nick Clevely is the pastor of Covenant Grace Baptist Church in Timaru, New Zealand (www.covenantgracebaptist.church). 

André Beck (yes, he’s Mike’s brother) is pastor of Bethesda Baptist Church in Felixstowe, UK (www.bethesdafelixstowe.com).

Music on this podcast was written by Jeremy Casella and performed by Indelible Grace. 

You can listen to more from Indelible Grace and Jeremy Casella by searching on Spotify or Apple Music."  

For more info, check out www.twoagesojourner.com.

Two-age Sojourner is hosted by Michael Beck, the pastor of Gracenet Community Church, Wellington, New Zealand (www.gracenet.co.nz).

Each week (well, most weeks), Mike is joined on his pilgrimage by three co-hosts. 

Nick Clevely is the pastor of Covenant Grace Baptist Church in Timaru, New Zealand (www.covenantgracebaptist.church). 

André Beck (yes, he’s Mike’s brother) is pastor of Bethesda Baptist Church in Felixstowe, UK (www.bethesdafelixstowe.com).

Music on this podcast was written by Jeremy Casella and performed by Indelible Grace. 

You can listen to more from Indelible Grace and Jeremy Casella by searching on Spotify or Apple Music."  

For more info, check out www.twoagesojourner.com.