Sacred Intersections

Y'all. We are so grateful for our Roadies and the community this podcast has given us. After a few episodes apart, Jill and Paula are back together to share some thoughts from YOU, add some thoughts to the topics we have discussed so far, and maybe even disagree a little bit. 

We are taking a few weeks for summer break, but will be back with new episodes very soon, so continue to let us know what you want to hear! and sincerely, thanks for listening. 

Link to episode of "You Have Permission" Paula references:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/worries-about-progressive-christianity-brad-jones-114/id1448000113?i=1000517743458

Heather Cox Richardson, historian and social commentator on facebook, twitter, and her substack newsletter.

We are grateful for our roadie listeners and the opportunity to be on this journey together!  We would love to hear from you: your hopes and dreams for future episode topics, questions, Sacred intersections in your life, and anything else you'd like to share with us.  You can interact with us in lots of ways:

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TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains discussion of child sexual abuse. 

Marriage and Family Therapist and Trauma expert Carly Ostler joins Paula this week to discuss Reality Star Josh Duggar's recent arrest and history of sexual abuse allegations. We examine the potential experiences of abuse survivors in a religious system such as the Duggar's, as well as have a broader discussion about sexual abuse trauma and healing. 

Link to 2021 International eConference on Religious Trauma

Links to access Carly's work as she discussed:

https://www.carlyostler.com/

https://www.safeandsincere.com/

We are grateful for our roadie listeners and the opportunity to be on this journey together!  We would love to hear from you: your hopes and dreams for future episode topics, questions, Sacred intersections in your life, and anything else you'd like to share with us.  You can interact with us in lots of ways:

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This week, Jill and guest co-host Andrew discuss the experience of mission trips, toxic charity and the cost of evangelism, specifically related to teenage mission trips.  While Paula is working hard to close out her semester, Andrew and Jill share their own experience of mission work as teenagers, the theology behind various mission experiences and offer some hopeful u-turns for those who feel called to respond to Jesus' great commission to "make disciples of all people."  

This is another perspective from someone who worked with Teen Mania Ministries, the organization Andrew discusses the episode. 

More background on The Word of Faith movement

Books mentioned in this episode:

Through the Gates of Splendor an account of the mission work of Jim and Elisabeth Elliot 

Toxic Charity: How Churches and Charities Hurt Those They Help (and How to Reverse It)

We are grateful for our roadie listeners and the opportunity to be on this journey together!  We would love to hear from you: your hopes and dreams for future episode topics, questions, Sacred intersections in your life, and anything else you'd like to share with us.  You can interact with us in lots of ways:

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Social Media: @sacredintersectionspodcast on Facebook and Instagram and @sacredpod on Twitter

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Paula and Jill threw out the planned episode for this week because we felt so compelled to address the topic of police brutality and the mental health, religious, and spiritual implications.  Join us for this rather impromptu and raw conversation where we struggle and ask questions such as: How can systems of power be held accountable?  As followers of Jesus, how do we respond to oppression and injustice? We know that we cannot separate many incidents of police brutality from systemic racism and white supremacy, so where do we start? How can we support our siblings of color?  

You can find a number of resources for AntiRacism work on our website, www.sacredintersectionspodcast.com/anti-racism-resources

Two social media accounts worthy of your attention:

@Black Liturgies, the work of Cole Arthur Riley on facebook and instagram

@privtoprog, Privilege to Progress on instagram

We are grateful for our roadie listeners and the opportunity to be on this journey together!  We would love to hear from you: your hopes and dreams for future episode topics, questions, Sacred intersections in your life, and anything else you'd like to share with us.  You can interact with us in lots of ways:

Our website: www.sacredintersectionspodcast.com

Email: [email protected]

Social Media: @sacredintersectionspodcast on Facebook and Instagram and @sacredpod on Twitter

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Dan Koch, host of the You Have Permission podcast, joins Jill and Paula for a follow-up conversation about the Ravi Zacharias scandal. Dan and Paula began this discussion on his podcast a few weeks ago, and wanted to continue the conversation here to focus on the impact of the scandal on the followers of Ravi Zacharias. Side roads include discussion of gatekeeping practices for pastors and therapists, the dangers of a capitalistic approach to Christianity, and how much we can separate the message from the messenger. 

Link to the Ravi "You Have Permission" episode

Dan's Twitter @dankoch

Dan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/

We are grateful for our roadie listeners and the opportunity to be on this journey together!  We would love to hear from you: your hopes and dreams for future episode topics, questions, Sacred intersections in your life, and anything else you'd like to share with us.  You can interact with us in lots of ways:

Our website: www.sacredintersectionspodcast.com

Email: [email protected]

Social Media: @sacredintersectionspodcast on Facebook and Instagram and @sacredpod on Twitter

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Paula’s big brother Jamie fills in for Jill this week to guest-host a discussion of the intersection of religion and sports. Discussions include Paula and Jamie's agonies as sports fans, the way sports can seems like a religion with God-like figures, the frustrations of a "sound-bite" and sometimes performative faith culture, and the idea of "winning" and "losing" when it comes to Jesus. And yes, we try to answer the question of if God does indeed care who wins the Super Bowl! 

Link to article about the infamous 4OT game of heartbreak we discuss...

We are grateful for our roadie listeners and the opportunity to be on this journey together!  We would love to hear from you: your hopes and dreams for future episode topics, questions, Sacred Intersections in your life and anything else you'd like to share with us.  You can interact with us in lots of ways:

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Why is it so hard for some people to set boundaries? Is "no" a complete sentence? Is it selfish to love yourself as you love your neighbor? (spoiler: nooooooo...not selfish!) Jill and Paula tackle all of these questions plus some discussion on how the sacred can be manipulated to push boundaries. Extra special segment this week in which Paula's dogs push the podcast boundaries! 

Some of the Billboards mentioned in this episode:

Boundaries Quiz

The Boundaries books by Henry Cloud and John Townsend

Myers Briggs Definitions of Hell

17 Ways to Say No

We are grateful for our roadie listeners and the opportunity to be on this journey together!  We would love to hear from you: your hopes and dreams for future episode topics, questions, Sacred Intersections in your life and anything else you'd like to share with us.  You can interact with us in lots of ways:

Our website: www.sacredintersectionspodcast.com

Email: [email protected]

Social Media: @sacredintersectionspodcast on Facebook and Instagram and @sacredpod on Twitter

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Does "Cancel Culture" exist? Is it the same as "Accountability Culture"? What is the role of the church and Christians? What implications do these cultures have on mental health? Jill and Paula discuss the different ways people get "cancelled" and what it means to hold people accountable while still providing space for growth. 

This episodes is chock-full of billboards, including Paula proudly sharing (confessing?) her long-term relationship with watching "The Bachelor". Here are some of the clips she referred to in this episode. 

Chris Harrison Interview with Rachel Lindsay

Rachel Lindsay's Response on "Higher Learning" Podcast

Another issue we explore is the misconduct allegations on Catholic hymn composer David Haas.  This is an interesting article from a Catholic perspective on the accusations and response of the Church. 

We are grateful for our roadie listeners and the opportunity to be on this journey together!  We would love to hear from you: your hopes and dreams for future episode topics, questions, Sacred intersections in your life and anything else you'd like to share with us.  You can interact with us in lots of ways:

Our website: www.sacredintersectionspodcast.com

Email: [email protected]

Social Media: @sacredintersectionspodcast on Facebook and Instagram and @sacredpod on Twitter

Also, we have merch!  http://tee.pub/lic/sacredintersections

Hey Roadies! No new full episode this week, but as Paula explains in this quick update, Paula was a guest on Dan Koch's "You Have Permission" podcast last week where they discussed the report on Christian Apologist Ravi Zacharias' sexual misconduct through the lens of Religious Abuse. We encourage you to listen to that episode this week, because in a few weeks, Jill and Paula will welcome Dan to come to "Sacred Intersections" for a follow-up conversation, focusing specifically on the impact to Ravi Zacharias' followers. 

Link to the Ravi "You Have Permission" episode

We are grateful for our roadie listeners and the opportunity to be on this journey together!  We would love to hear from you: your hopes and dreams for future episode topics, questions, Sacred intersections in your life and anything else you'd like to share with us.  You can interact with us in lots of ways:

Our website: www.sacredintersectionspodcast.com

Email: [email protected]

Social Media: @sacredintersectionspodcast on Facebook and Instagram and @sacredpod on Twitter

Also, we have merch!  http://tee.pub/lic/sacredintersections

For the first time ever, we bring in a special guest to join us on Sacred Intersections! As we continue our conversation on racism and issues of race in the church, we welcome Paula's colleague Emma, who shares a little bit about her journey as a woman of color and a woman of faith. We are so grateful to Emma for joining us! 

We are also grateful for our roadie listeners and the opportunity to be on this journey together!  We would love to hear from you: your hopes and dreams for future episode topics, questions, Sacred intersections in your life and anything else you'd like to share with us.  You can interact with us in lots of ways:

Our website: www.sacredintersectionspodcast.com

Email: [email protected]

Social Media: @sacredintersectionspodcast on Facebook and Instagram and @sacredpod on Twitter

Also, we have merch!  http://tee.pub/lic/sacredintersections