Writer and travel guide Tsh Oxenreider joins host Jenn to talk about journeying through shadow and light during Advent — and using the Psalms to map the way. Tsh shares about navigating different faith traditions and forging a new path for herself — a path that, as it turns out, has been well-tread by centuries of Christians before her. Tsh and Jenn discuss spiritual pilgrimages, finding meaning from cultures outside their own, and sifting out gifts and graces in the Psalms. They also dive into book recommendations and their favorite seasonal songs, and Tsh reads an excerpt from her new book, Shadow & Light.

Listen to the unedited conversation between Scott Erickson and Jenn Giles Kemper, available now! On Thursdays following a newly-released interview episode, we’re releasing the long-form conversation. We hope it feels like you are sitting in a chair at the table with us.

As we were producing our episode of Sacred Ordinary Days with Jenn Giles Kemper with Scott, we realized something: There’s SO much that falls on the cutting room floor. As you’ll hear in this conversation with Scott, he and Jenn both dove much deeper into the exact places where vulnerability touches vocation, creativity, family life, and spiritual leadership.

You’ll hear more of his fun, funny, provocative nature come out -- including when Jenn accidentally prompted him to tell a vasectomy story. They talk about their families by name, prayer lives, evolving work as spiritual directors, the enneagram, making art, embarrassing moments, and how leaders (especially those in the Church) need to be living out what they’re teaching in private, personal ways...or as Scott succinctly says “smoking what you’re selling.”

Artist and storyteller Scott Erickson joins host Jenn Giles Kemper to explore vulnerability through prayer, creativity, and parenthood. Jenn brings her natural curiosity and her experiences as a spiritual director to the chat, inviting listeners to ponder their own vulnerabilities in this season of Advent.

Throughout the episode, Scott and Jen explore rekindling the wonder of God-with-Us. Scott shares about the “hauntings” he feels in his vocation and Jenn reveals which recent life experiences have been highlighting her own vulnerabilities at Sacred Ordinary Days -- and in her personal life, too.

Jenn Giles Kemper, founder of Sacred Ordinary Days and host of this brand-new podcast, sits down to share a glimpse into how her team is crafting a show that will help you meaningfully explore your own life with Christ — and ultimately lead you to become more wholly human and more fully faithful.

Jenn Giles Kemper of www.sacredordinarydays.com & Lacy Clark Ellman of www.asacredjourney.net celebrate our retreat and the end of Season 1 of our podcast.

Jenn Giles Kemper of www.sacredordinarydays.com & Lacy Clark Ellman of www.asacredjourney.net explore vocation and following the sacred thread in honor of Ordinary Time and the work that fills most of our days.

Jenn Giles Kemper of www.sacredordinarydays.com & Lacy Clark Ellman of www.asacredjourney.net discuss the day of Pentecost, exploring the significance, and sharing spiritual practices.

Jenn Giles Kemper of www.sacredordinarydays.com & Lacy Clark Ellman of www.asacredjourney.net continue the fifty-day season of Eastertide by exploring the practice of Sabbath keeping.

Jenn Giles Kemper of www.sacredordinarydays.com & Lacy Clark Ellman of www.asacredjourney.net kick off the fifty-day season of Eastertide by exploring the theme of "celebration" and doing a little celebrating themselves.

Jenn Giles Kemper of www.sacredordinarydays.com & Lacy Clark Ellman of www.asacredjourney.net talk about Holy Week and Easter Sunday.