Sam Devis is a former pastor who experienced a faith deconversion a couple of years ago similar to that of my brother, Bryan. After reading Evolution 2.0, Sam and I got together to discuss my journey from fundamentalism to where I am today. We cover many fascinating aspects from Darwinist Jerry Coyne's outrage to the nature of fundamentalist belief structures to evolution and entrepreneurship to questions about the cosmos and free will. Sam's website is https://linktr.ee/whenbeliefdies.

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