In this episode of extremely, Oren Segal speaks with Sam Jackson, assistant professor in the College of Emergency Preparedness, Homeland Security and Cybersecurity at the State University of New York at Albany, and author of, “Oath Keepers: Patriotism and the Edge of Violence in a Right-Wing Antigovernment Group.”

When Sam was an undergrad religious studies major at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville, he “accidentally” took a class on religion and violence that sparked his interest in antigovernment extremism. Today, Sam emphasizes the distinctions between leaders of anti-government groups like the Oath Keepers and their subordinates.

“Prominent people within the group are much more ideologically on point or ideologically disciplined,” Sam tells Oren. “They are thinking about a narrower set of ideas, and they are talking about them in a more cohesive and coherent way. Whereas rank and file members of the group might have any of a wide range of ideological motivations to join. Or even non-ideological motivations.”

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