Lucille dunks Marie headfirst into the world of Frog and Toad, the beloved children's works by Arnold Lobel. They read from "Shivers," a bunch of Language Arts Journals, and avoid reading an angry blog or two. Lou's partner clinks dishes in the background for ambiance.

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"Profile: Arnold Lobel," Language Arts Journal (1988)

“The Adult as Critic vs. The Child as Reader.” Language Arts Journal (1980)

An Essay on Frog and Toad by Se Fleenor on Electric Lit (2019)

Frog and Toad in the New Yorker (2016)

Marie teaches Lucille about Conflict Style Theory, and how (surprise) the conflicts we observe in childhood set us up to view differing needs for the rest of our lives. Distractions include whether Chipotle is preferable to Taco Bell, astrology, and angry dads. 

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"Adolescents' Conflict Management Styles with Mothers" (2017)

"Family Secrets: The Roles of Family Communication Patterns and Conflict Styles between Parents and Young Adult Children" (2018)

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Lucille learns that Marie has no idea what "The Elf" is or does. They dive into a (poorly constructed) lore to figure out the answers to their questions, including but not limited to:

Distractions include Where the Wild Things Are, the weirdness of the Home Shopping Network, and thankless motherhood. Available while supplies last, restrictions apply, results may vary. 

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"You're a Creepy One, Elf on the Shelf" (The Atlantic)

"The Elf that Stole Christmas" (Inc)

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Lucille extends the conversation of childhood innocence to the forced purity and virginity of older children. Marie reads long, detailed lists of purported masturbation side effects from the late 19th century. We listen in on a dinner party together (thanks for sharing your experience with us, Andrea!) and pick apart Christian church metaphors for virginity.  Distractions include chastity belts, corn flakes, Emma Stone, and why buying a car sucks. 

Spoiler: it's a major buzzkill to discuss the ways in which we are set up to fail, specifically by systems and adults who think they're doing the opposite. 

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Sex Education with Young Children, Young Children Journal 1980

“Technology for the Prevention of ‘Les Maladies Produites Par La Masturbation.’” Technology and Culture (1987)

Surgeon General Resigns In Masturbation Row. (1994). BMJ: British Medical Journal

Call Children’s Private Body Parts What They Are (Psychology Today)

Lou and Marie dig up the roots of "childhood innocence," tracing the role of children through history and capitalism. Lucille makes Marie read a mommy blog. Tangents include Freud, the moral panic around Critical Race Theory, and the Industrial Revolution.

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Lisa Farley's Essay, "Innocence" (2020)

Child Labor in America: History, Policy, and Legislative Issues

Marie tells Lucille about the diet culture of the Katz household in the early 2000s. Lou screams in frustration at youth-targeted weight-loss grifts. Detours include Q-Anon, Crohn's disease, and the economics of Halloween candy. They hope the listeners will interpret Marie's volume as passion, rather than a recording error. 

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"Mother-reported parental weight talk and adolescent girls’ emotional health, weight control attempts, and disordered eating behaviors" from the Journal of Eating Disorders, 2013

"The effect of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) in the treatment of obesity by means of the Simeons therapy: a criteria-based meta-analysis" from the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology 

National Eating Disorders Association support line/chat

Lou tells Marie all about the phenomenon of parentifying children, ranging from her own experiences to some larger classic examples. Marie talks about the "right" way to clean a bathroom, Lou shares a snippet about Deaf history, and Kevin (Lou's cat) interjects. Lou also doesn't know how to stay close to the microphone whilst pondering difficult moments.  

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So, like... What are we here for? 

Meet Lucille (Lou) Mills and Marie Renee Katz, two friends and researchers who are obsessed with childhood--be it the universality of childhood, the trope of the child, or their own memories as former little ones. The duo outlines their hopes, dreams, fears, and plans for the future... almost as if this project were a child of their own. 

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