Most people think violence is random—but there are often warning signs long before anything happens.

In this episode, I’m joined by Robert Mahoney, founder of TVTP Solutions, to break down the “pathway to violence,” what behaviors to look for, and how churches can recognize and respond before a situation escalates.

Learn more about his work at: https://tvtpsolutions.com/

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This episode features Robert Siciliano, CEO of Protect Now LLC and the architect of the Strategic Human Firewall. You can learn more about his work at protectnowllc.com.

Churches are built on trust—but that same mindset can create blind spots.

In this episode, I’m joined by Robert Siciliano to break down what he calls the “Sanctuary Blindspot”—the tension between being welcoming and staying aware. We talk about why people lower their guard in church environments, how situational awareness gets mistaken for paranoia, and the real danger behind the mindset of “it won’t happen here.”

We also get into practical steps—what greeters and volunteers should actually be paying attention to, and how churches can stay approachable without becoming vulnerable.

And if you want to learn more about Robert and his work, you can find him at protectnowllc.com.

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This is a bonus conversation with Eric Robinson after the main interview—more informal, but still some valuable insight.

Most people don’t recognize a gunshot right away—and that delay matters. In this episode, former FBI agent Eric Robinson breaks down what people get wrong, why hesitation happens, and what churches should be thinking about in those first critical moments.

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Most churches don’t think about protests until they’re already happening. In this episode, former FBI agent Eric Robinson breaks down how these situations develop, escalate, and what churches should be thinking about ahead of time.

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In this episode of Sanctuary Peacemakers, I’m joined by Eric Robinson—a former FBI agent, SWAT operator, firearms instructor, and pastor—who brings a rare and valuable perspective on church safety.

Eric recently retired from the FBI after 24 years as a special agent, where he worked cases ranging from counterterrorism to crimes against children. Before that, he spent over a decade in Christian ministry, including serving as a pastor. That combination of experience in both ministry and federal law enforcement provides a unique lens on the realities churches face today.

In this conversation, we discuss how churches should think about safety and preparedness in practical terms—not just in response to worst-case scenarios, but in everyday situations that are far more likely to occur. Eric explains how planning ahead—much like in SWAT operations—can prevent the need for split-second decision-making during a crisis.

We also cover:

• The most common situations churches are likely to face (beyond mass shootings)

• Warning signs that often appear before incidents escalate

• How frameworks like Run, Hide, Fight (ALERRT) apply in a church setting

• The differences between ALERRT and ALICE training

• Why internal investigations in churches sometimes fail—and how that can be addressed

• One practical step church leaders can take right now to improve preparedness

This conversation is not about fear—it’s about awareness, responsibility, and being better equipped to protect those we serve.

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After a critical incident, what comes next? In this final segment, we discuss Crosspointe Church’s path forward and the key lessons churches can take moving ahead.

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Continuing my conversation with Jay Trombley about the Crosspointe Church incident. After a brief break last week, we dive back in and pick up where we left off. More conversation about the aftermath of the Crosspointe Church incident with the church safety officer responsible for saving lives.

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Quick update for listeners. The ongoing interview series with Jay Trombley about the Crosspointe Church incident will continue next week. Thanks for your patience as we resume the conversation in the next episode.

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Part three of my conversation with Jay Trombley shifts from the incident itself to the aftermath. We discuss what followed the Crosspointe Church attack—the emotional toll, the media attention, the internal challenges, and the long process of recovery for both Jay and the congregation.

This episode examines what most people never see: what it takes to stabilize a church after violence, how leadership responds under scrutiny, and how faith and preparation intersect once the immediate threat is over.

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