In this episode of the Soft as Steel podcast, Dennis Doran interviews Sandy Hamby, CEO of Moca Systems Touch Plan. They discuss the underrepresentation of women in the construction industry, the importance of social justice and fairness, and the impact of AI on the sector. Sandy shares her experiences of cultural work within her company and how it led to a redefinition of their core values. The conversation also touches on the issue of colorblindness and its societal impact. Sandy draws on her personal experiences, highlighting the need for greater equality and respect in relationships.