In this episode of the Plutopia News Network podcast, Jon and Scoop follow up our January 2021 interview with Sandy Stone. In this episode, we discuss her experience working as part of the Olivia Records collective, her authorship of "The Empire Strikes Back: A Posttranssexual Manifesto," her role in originating the Transgender Studies discipline, and her experience establishing the Advanced Communication Technologies Laboratory (ACTLab) at the University of Texas at Austin.

Sandy Stone: "I think most people who knew me in the 70s knew that I was running around avoiding being an academic. I was trying to avoid getting involved with academia in any way that I could. And for me, academia was the hound of heaven, which is a reference to, for those of you who may not remember, it's a reference to a poem. I was being followed around by this thing that was saying, 'This is what you are. This is who you are. Admit it - you've got to admit it. Everything you do in your life says This is what you are. And yet, you're looking the other way.'"