Dr. Charity Dean, one of the country's foremost experts on battling the COVID-19 pandemic, talks with Josh Molina in this one hour-plus podcast conversation. Dr. Dean is the former assistant director of the California Department of Public Health, and the former Santa Barbara County Public Health Officer. Dr. Dean talks about the importance of COVID-19 testing, the country's failed response to the pandemic and how by February 2020 it was "game over." Dr. Dean explains what the country has learned -- and has not -- since the 1918 influenza pandemic. Dr. Dean also talks about how the public health system and the health care delivery system work in silos, and what needs to happen before schools can re-open. Most of all, Dr. Dean explains how human beings need to work together to overcome this pandemic and own our individual mitigation roles through social distancing and wearing masks.