Scale Room with Olya Grovel

The Scale Room | Episode [50] — Caya, Co-Founder & CEO at Slidebean

What happens when a SaaS company runs out of money, can't raise its next round and has to rethink what business it's actually in?

In this episode of The Scale Room, recorded live at Infobip Shift in Croatia, Olya Grovel sits down with Caya, Co-Founder & CEO at Slidebean, to talk about the company's journey from SaaS startup to media business.

After reaching around $1.5M in ARR and getting stuck between seed and Series A, Slidebean had to choose between continuing to raise or cutting costs and becoming profitable. That decision ultimately opened the door to a new growth engine: YouTube.

Caya shares how YouTube became a major part of Slidebean's business, why the company now operates different channels for different audiences and what it means to let go of a product after more than a decade of building it.

They also discuss AI, the changing SaaS landscape, product-market fit, founder resilience and knowing when it's time to move on.

In this episode, we explore:

• From SaaS to a media business

• Running out of runway and choosing profitability

• How YouTube became a growth engine

• Building and monetizing an audience

• Why SaaS is becoming harder to defend

• AI and the future of software

• Knowing when to let go of a product

• Separating the founder from the company

• Why infrastructure may be the next big opportunity

  
  

  ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS

  
  

  00:00 — Cold Open & Highlights

  00:27 — Meet Caya & Slidebean

  00:48 — How Slidebean Discovered YouTube

  01:38 — From SaaS Startup to Media Business

  02:00 — Getting Stuck Between Seed & Series A

  02:45 — The $1.5M ARR Problem

  03:00 — Running Out of Money & Choosing Profitability

  03:34 — What Happened After Slidebean Became Profitable?

  03:38 — The First YouTube Sponsorship

  04:30 — Building Slidebean's Media Business

  05:25 — What's Driving Revenue Today?

  06:22 — When Your SaaS Product Becomes a Commodity

  06:57 — Should Founders Keep Fighting or Move On?

  08:10 — The Pitch Story & The Presentation Market

  09:38 — Slidebean's Biggest Challenge Today

  09:48 — AI & The Changing SaaS Landscape

  10:30 — Why Engineering Isn't the Same Moat Anymore

  11:22 — Can Presentation Software Survive?

  12:09 — Retention & The Problem With Presentations

  12:45 — Will Slidebean's Product Still Exist in 3–5 Years?

  12:58 — Why Caya Wouldn't Start a SaaS Company Today

  14:42 — Decoupling the Founder From the Product

  15:00 — When Is It Time to Give Up?

  16:00 — Exhausting Every Option

  17:29 — How Many Products Can a Founder Build?

  18:02 — The Reality of Being a Founder

  18:47 — Turning YouTube Into a Growth Engine

  19:04 — From Founder Content to Business Content

  19:40 — Company Forensics & The YouTube Strategy

  20:50 — Why Slidebean Created a Second Channel

  21:55 — Behind the Scenes & Closing

  
  

A candid conversation about SaaS, YouTube, AI, profitability and the realities of building a company that doesn't always end up looking like the one you started.

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The Scale Room | Episode 49 — Vuk Lau, Partner at Silicon Gardens

What happens when a startup becomes profitable and decides it doesn't need to raise another round?

In Episode 49 of The Scale Room, recorded live at Infobip Shift in Croatia, Olya Grovel sat down with Vuk Lau, Partner at Silicon Gardens, a Slovenia-based, founders-for-founders venture fund investing in founders from the region with global ambitions.

Vuk shares his perspective on the changing venture capital landscape, from profitable startups choosing sustainable growth over repeated fundraising to the challenges facing European VC funds in generating meaningful returns. He explains why some companies may no longer need multiple funding rounds, how investment mandates can influence valuations and why achieving a real exit is taking longer than ever.

They discuss the growing gap between paper valuations and actual liquidity, the risks of overfunding startups, and what happens when a portfolio company becomes profitable but no longer wants to raise additional capital.

Vuk also shares what Silicon Gardens looks for in founders, why big vision matters, how customer validation can separate promising ideas from assumptions and why a little delusion might be necessary to build something ambitious.

In this episode, we explore:

• Why profitable startups may not need another funding round

• The challenges facing European venture capital and fund returns

• How government-backed funds and investment mandates influence startup valuations

• Why the road to liquidity is getting longer

• The difference between paper valuations and real returns

• What happens when founders choose profitability over fundraising

• Why investor value goes beyond providing capital

• The importance of founder vision, ambition and customer validation

• Why Silicon Gardens is looking to grow its next fund

• Finding a technical co-founder after validating a business idea

• How founders can approach venture capital investors

• Why relationships and trust remain essential in early-stage investing

  
  

  ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS

  00:00 — Cold Open & Highlights

  01:15 — Show Intro & Title Sequence

  02:00 — Welcome & Speaker-1 Introduction

  02:45 — Introduction to Vuk Lau & Silicon Gardens

  03:45 — Profitable Startups & Avoiding Dilution

  05:00 — Managing LP Expectations & Reporting Metrics

  06:30 — Fund Structure & Investment Cycles

  07:20 — European VC Returns & The DPI Challenge

  08:50 — Visual Insert: European vs. US VC Performance

  09:40 — Government-Backed Funds & Regional Overfunding

  11:30 — Zombie Funds & Slow Capital Deployment

  12:35 — Extending Timelines to Liquidity Events

  14:00 — Rethinking Fund Structures & Revenue Models

  15:30 — Value-Add Beyond Capital & Diaspora Talent

  17:00 — Founder Green Flags: Vision & Market Validation

  18:30 — Ambition vs. Delusion in European Founders

  19:40 — Scaling Up: Silicon Gardens' Next Fund

  20:50 — What Happens When Profitable Startups Stop Raising?

  21:50 — Investing in Non-Technical Founders

  22:20 — How to Pitch Silicon Gardens

  22:45 — Outro & Closing Credits

  
  

A candid conversation about venture capital, startup funding, profitability and what it really takes to build valuable companies in an evolving startup ecosystem.

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The Scale Room | Episode 48 — Liina Laas, Co-Founder & CEO of Knowzilla

What does it really take to build an AI sales company from the ground up?

In Episode 48 of The Scale Room, Olya Grovel sat down with Liina Laas, Co-Founder & CEO of Knowzilla, to talk about building a startup in one of the most crowded categories in SaaS — AI sales.

Liina shares the story behind Knowzilla, from identifying a real problem in sales teams to turning an early idea into a product, speaking with customers, signing the first pilots and building momentum in an increasingly competitive AI market.

They discuss what sales teams actually need from AI, why real-time guidance can change the way reps handle live conversations and how founders can build products around genuine customer pain rather than chasing trends.

Liina also opens up about the realities of being an early-stage founder, moving quickly, finding the right people, validating an idea, fundraising and figuring things out while building the company at the same time.

In this episode, we explore:

• Building Knowzilla from idea to first pilots

• Entering the crowded AI sales and SaaS market

• Why sales teams still struggle with knowledge and confidence

• How AI can support reps during live sales conversations

• Customer discovery and building around real problems

• The challenges of scaling an early-stage startup

• Fundraising and finding the right investors

• Hiring and building a strong founding team

• What founders can learn from years of sales experience

• Why the future of sales isn't simply about replacing humans with AI

  
  

A candid conversation about AI, sales, entrepreneurship and what it takes to build something new when the market is already crowded.

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Bailey Darling built GIA to be the ultimate Go-To-Market co-pilot for consultancies and boutique agencies, boasting an incredible 1-in-3 closing rate once an ideal prospect gets on a sales call.

The conversion strategy works.

So why does Olya tell him his top-of-funnel is hitting a ceiling?

In this live Scale Room session, she breaks down why trying to sell a complex, multi-feature platform upfront destroys your cold outbound response rates—and why you need to lead with a single, high-impact "wedge" feature instead. From there, the discussion dives into the unique buying psychology of B2B service firms.

How do agencies actually shop for tools compared to traditional tech startups? How do you turn unpredictable word-of-mouth wins into an automated, trigger-based referral engine? How do you transition a tool from a solo founder's workflow to a scalable team account expansion?

This episode explores agency growth mechanics, B2B marketing channel realities, experiment hygiene and overcoming the common founder habit of over-delivering for free.

Key Takeaways:

• Leading with a high-value "wedge" feature vs. positioning an all-in-one platform play

• The trust-based buying psychology of agency owners and boutique consultancies

• Ditching high-churn solopreneurs to focus on sticky 2–25 person target accounts

• Engineering trigger-based referral programs around customer "wow moments"

• Video channel calibration: Why B2B leaders consume comedy on TikTok but education on LinkedIn

• Overcoming imposter syndrome and the founder trap of giving away upsells for free

• Tactical expansion frameworks to seamlessly upsell seats to client account managers

• Experiment hygiene: Setting rigid "kill cliffs" to protect your cash runway from bleeding out

  Timestamps:

• 00:00 Intro & GIA's 1-in-3 Closing Rate

• 00:49 Understanding GIA & The Agency Growth Ceiling

• 02:13 The Core Value: Turning Client Calls Into LinkedIn IP

• 04:40 Challenging the ICP: Founders vs. Professional Service Firms

• 06:58 Defining the Sweet Spot & Trimming Churn Potential

• 09:12 High-Touch Customer Discovery & Onboarding Tactics

• 11:05 The Positioning Mistake: Avoiding the "Chinese Buffet" Approach

• 13:32 Auditing Acquisition Channels: Outbound vs. Invisible Word-of-Mouth

• 15:05 Systematizing Referrals Post-User "Wow Moments"

• 16:30 Co-Marketing, Watermarks, and Credibility Distribution

• 19:27 TikTok & Instagram Realities for B2B Audiences

• 21:49 Balancing Immediate MRR Needs with Long-Term Growth Engines

• 24:22 Getting Closer to Your Customer's Wallet

• 27:16 The Free Feature Trap: Overcoming Founder Coaching Blindspots

• 30:53 Seat Expansion Mechanics for In-House Teams

• 33:02 Experiment Hygiene: Implementing Hard Timelines & Kill Cliffs

• 34:36 Advice to My Younger Self: Relentless Work & Controlling the Controllables

• 36:17 Closing Thoughts & Where to Find GIA Live

If this episode challenged the way you think about growth, share it with another founder, operator or investor who needs to hear it.

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Adrian runs Akka, a platform opening access to private market investing through influencer-led distribution.

The strategy works.

So why does Olya tell him it's a trap?

In this live Scale Room session, she breaks down why creator marketing isn't a sustainable acquisition channel—it's a launch event with a built-in lifespan. From there, the discussion dives into one of the hardest problems in European expansion: trust.

Who actually influences financial decisions in each country?

Why do GTM strategies fail when copied across borders?

How do you build growth systems that last after the influencer momentum fades?

This episode explores international expansion, fintech distribution, trust dynamics and building scalable acquisition channels beyond social media.

Key Takeaways

• Why influencer-led growth eventually plateaus

• The 9–12 month lifecycle of creator acquisition channels

• Attention vs trust in customer acquisition

• Country-specific GTM strategies across Europe

• Identifying local market champions

• Sustainable growth beyond influencers

• Scaling fintech through trust instead of reach

• Founder lessons on category creation

  
  

  Timestamps

00:00 Intro & Akka's Growth Strategy

02:12 Building Through Influencers

05:08 Why It Worked

08:14 Challenging the Model

11:05 The Influencer Expiration Problem

14:18 Attention vs Trust

17:42 Scaling GTM Across Countries

21:03 Local Trust Systems Explained

24:26 France vs Nordic Markets

27:31 Finding Market Champions

30:18 Sustainable Distribution Systems

33:06 Beyond Influencer Marketing

36:01 Long-Term Growth Frameworks

39:12 Future of Retail Investing

41:18 Founder Lessons

42:15 Closing Thoughts

If this episode challenged the way you think about growth, share it with another founder, operator or investor who needs to hear it.

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Hector Hughes thought he was building his dream career.

Instead, he found himself overwhelmed, disconnected, and increasingly dissatisfied with the life he had created.

Everything changed after a 10-day silent retreat in the Himalayas where his phone was taken away and he spent ten days alone with his thoughts.

One week later, he quit his job.

Soon after, he launched Unplugged, a startup helping people disconnect from technology through off-grid cabins designed specifically for digital detox experiences.

In this episode, Hector joins Olya Grovel to explore:

• Why modern life is making us more distracted, anxious, and burned out

• The founder mindset traps that drive overwork and unhappiness

• How dopamine addiction impacts performance and decision-making

• Why Unplugged grew rapidly during and after COVID

• The surprising reason couples became their strongest customer segment

• How to build a company around long-term impact rather than short-term exits

• What it really takes to create a movement instead of just another product

This conversation is part startup strategy, part psychology deep dive, and part wake-up call for anyone feeling trapped in the always-on culture.

Timestamps

00:00 Hector Hughes' Origin Story

01:02 The Silent Retreat That Changed His Life

01:50 Quitting His Job to Start Unplugged

02:07 Launching a Startup Right Before COVID

03:10 Why COVID Became a Massive Tailwind

04:05 The Influencer Post That Changed Everything

05:00 Who Uses Unplugged Today?

06:15 Expanding Into Spain Without Losing Focus

08:05 Why Most Startups Think Too Short-Term

09:15 Building a Company for 30 Years, Not 5

10:20 The Dark Side of Founder Ambition

12:00 Why Entrepreneurs Struggle to Feel "Enough"

13:45 Overperformance, Burnout & Hustle Culture

15:10 Creating Demand for Digital Detox

16:35 Why Most People Can't Put Their Phones Down

17:20 The Psychology Behind Unplugged's Experience

18:40 How Guests Actually Disconnect for 3 Days

20:00 Turning Unplugged Into a Habit

21:10 Why Couples Became Their Biggest Customer Segment

22:20 Burnout, Executives & Corporate Retreats

23:20 The Hidden Cost of Constant Connectivity

24:30 Dopamine Addiction Explained

26:00 Why Unplugged Requires a Minimum 3-Day Stay

26:50 Hector's Biggest Growth Challenge Today

27:30 How to Increase Customer Retention

29:00 Nervous System Regulation & Mental Fitness

30:30 Creating a Movement Around Unplugging

32:00 Building the "Nike of Digital Wellbeing"

33:20 The Future Vision for Unplugged

35:00 Simplicity vs Overengineering the Experience

36:00 Hector's Most Important Lesson

36:40 "Nobody Cares As Much As You Think"

37:10 Final Thoughts & Where to Find Hector

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The Scale Room Ep. 2 — Foti Panagiotakopoulos on AI, Mentorship, Burnout & Building Human-Centered Companies

In this deeply personal and unexpectedly emotional episode of The Scale Room, Olya sits down with Foti Panagiotakopoulos, founder of GrowthMentor for a raw conversation about entrepreneurship, AI disruption, mentorship, founder psychology, burnout, and the human need for connection.

What starts as a story about postpartum depression, isolation, and one life-changing mentorship call evolves into a wide-ranging exploration of what scaling actually feels like in 2026.

Foti opens up about:

• Why GrowthMentor is shrinking in the AI era
• What AI can never replace
• Founder loneliness and “sanity-check” conversations
• The emotional side of decision-making
• Why most entrepreneurs are solving the wrong problems
• His struggle with enterprise sales and self-worth
• Building side quests like ParentMentor & Growth Adventures
• Burnout, ambition, and redefining success

This episode is part founder therapy, part strategy session, and part existential reflection on what it means to build companies in a world where AI can do almost everything except be human.

If you’ve ever questioned your direction, your ambition, or yourself… this one will hit hard.

Frank Sondors scaled Salesforge to €3M ARR in year one and now he's making a bet most founders haven't even considered: generative engine optimization. He comes to The Scale Room with a question that's about to matter for every B2B company — how do you win when your buyers stop Googling and start asking ChatGPT instead? Olya digs into his GEO playbook, his Wikipedia hack, why mentions are the new backlinks, and the channel-kill decisions that got him here. If you're still treating SEO as your only organic strategy, this one's going to sting.

Most decisions that change our lives don’t look dramatic from the outside.
They happen quietly in our thoughts, our beliefs, and the stories we tell ourselves.

In this episode of Decision Factory, Maria shares the most pivotal decision she ever made and it had nothing to do with her career, business, or external success. It was the moment she chose to change her perspective.

We talk about:

• Feeling like life is “happening to you” instead of for you

• The identity crisis that often follows motherhood and major life transitions

• Why money decisions are emotional, not logical

• How women unconsciously play it safe with pricing and ambition

• The power of micro-decisions and how they quietly shape your future

• Why the state you create from determines what you create more of

This conversation is for anyone who feels stuck in the messy middle, not who they used to be, not yet who they’re becoming and is ready to stop operating on autopilot.

Because the most important decisions aren’t always the loud ones. They’re the ones you make internally, every single day.

Everyone tells founders the same story:
Raise money. Move fast. Figure it out later.

Adam Fard chose a different path.

In this episode of Decision Factory, Olya Grovel sits down with Adam Fard, founder of UX Pilot, to unpack why he turned down a VC term sheet at a $30M valuation and how bootstrapping gave him something far more valuable than capital: clarity and control.

Adam shares how UX Pilot grew from an internal agency tool into a profitable AI product, how he filters real signal from noisy feedback, and why metrics like NPS and usage often matter more than early revenue. They dive into decision-making under uncertainty, avoiding confirmation bias, removing features instead of adding them, and how AI is reshaping UX design without replacing human judgment.

This episode is a masterclass in calm, disciplined decision-making for founders who want to build something real, not just something fundable.

🎧 Listen if you’re questioning whether raising money is actually the right move.