This week:

• Linesman Brad Kovachik's final NHL game
• Stars' Bichsel steals Karlsson's stick
• Sabres' Thompson penalized after his stick is deflected by Detroit's Edvinsson's follow-through
• Leafs' Domi goes after Ducks' Gudas
• Toronto's Pezzetta called for abuse of officials
• Panthers' Paul Maurice says "STFU"
• Goalie fight! Markstrom vs. Shesterkin
• Panthers' Gregor takes out Sens' Yakemchuk
• Ottawa's Tkachuk takes a slashing penalty from the bench
• Flyers' Marton has rookie run-in with ref
• Jets' Pionk goes low
• Chris Pronger weighs in on Player Safety

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On this week's show:

• Caught in the crossfire as liney Kilian McNamara catches a high stick during a scrum
• Panthers' AJ Grees suspended three games for boarding Flames Connor Zary
• Goaltender interference?! You don't say! Breaking down NHL Situation Room decisions at Penguins vs. Jets, Jackets vs. Islanders, Wild vs. Lightning, and Avalanche vs. Penguins. Looking for consistency here... but will we find it?
• Rangers' Miller breaks Sens' Chabot's arm with a cross-check -- no penalty, no fine
• Ducks' Sennecke gets fined $2000 for diving
• Match penalty but no fine or suspension to Pierre-Luc Dubois for bulldogging Blues' Thomas
• and once again, Tom Wilson is whistled for a questionable hit.

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.

• Pens' Evgeni Malkin gets five games for slashing
• Islanders' Bo Horvat fined $2500 for poking a Shark
• No call, not fine after Isles' Mat Barzal picks Macklin Celebrini of the San Jose Sharks
• It's a wild one at Sabres vs. Lightning with plenty of goals and penalty minutes
• Tampa's Brandon Hagel gets four minutes for a one-sided attack on Buffalo's Rasmus Dahlin; he deserved quite a bit more than that from the refs
• Ducks' Johnston takes out Blues' Holl from behind
• Was it a hand pass? Sens' Pinto deflects the puck with his glove, leading to a goal that held up after a Coach's Challenge
• Mack goes bowling! Avalanche center Nathan MacKinnon gets ejected for running over Oilers goaltender Connor Ingram -- but was it even his fault?

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.

This week, Todd and Josh tackle:

• Olympic recap of the Gold Medal Game between USA and Canada
• Another Too Many Men... or was it?
• Bennett sticks 'em up
• Wilson blows up Larkin
• NHL officials earn their stripes at Milan Cortino
• Upgraded cameras for the NHL
• Maple Leafs go 2-0 on Coach's Challenges
• What else can we automate?

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.

Plenty of Olympic hockey on tap this week:

• Too many Czechs on the ice - but what can we do about it?
• Why can’t you challenge a too many men penalty
• And, yes, the officials can count to six, as Canada found out in their next game
• Keep an eye - and a skate - on those faceoffs
• USA’s Britta Curl’s major penalty vs. Canada reduced to two minutes
• Penalty shot at Switzerland vs. Sweden
• Goaltender interference for Canada’s Sam Bennett vs. Finland
• A close call on a Coach’s Challenge on Canada’s game-winning goal to get them to the gold medal game

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.

On this week's Olympic edition of the #RefsPodcast, we cover the rule differences between the NHL and Olympics, including goaltender interference, illegal checks to the head, penalty shots, situation room vs. on-ice official reviews, fighting, and more. Team Canada's Tom Wilson makes his presence felt in Milano Cortina after an injury to Kevin Fiala of Switzerland, then drops the gloves in a game against France -- who said there was no fighting at the Olympics?! Stateside, we've got a three-game suspension in the AHL for physical abuse of officials.

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.

Retired NHL referee Ian Walsh shares his journey from officiating in the NHL to mentoring young officials in various leagues. He talks with Todd and Josh about the importance of feedback and coaching for up-and-coming referees, the role of replay technology in officiating, and his memorable experiences at the Sochi Olympics. Ian also compares the officiating styles and rules between the NHL and IIHF, emphasizing the need for officials to trust their instincts and adapt to the game on this special edition of the #RefsPodcast.

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.

On a jam-packed edition of the #RefsPodcast:

• Preds' McCarron fined for slashing
• OHL's Levac gets six games for slewfoot
• Isles' Duclair's goaltender interference on Preds' Saros
• No call on Caps' Wilson for steamrolling Canes' Stankoven
• Another goalie fight! Swayman vs. Vasilevskiy
• OT penalty cancels out game-winner for Bruins' Pastrnak
• Sens' Giroux takes out Pens' Silovs, but the goal stands
• Canucks' Kane stirring things up
• Flames' Cooley gets saved by the whistle
• Penalty minutes pile up in the latest Battle of Florida between the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Florida Panthers

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You’ll get meet & greets, hot-stove sessions, Q&A panels, autographs, and a chance to watch the World Cup Final at sea with the legends. Cabins start at $2,399 CAD, and it’s just a $500 deposit to lock it in.

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.

On this week's #RefsPodcast:

• Penguins' Rust gets three games
• Leafs' Nylander's $5000 finger
• Caps' Duhaime whips his stick out on the bench
• Rangers whistled for three penalties on the same play
• Isles' DeAngelo takes two for abuse of officials... though they may have broken protocol on the call
• Capitals bank one of the photographers' hole and in
• Avs' Manson has a major penalty rescinded after review vs. the Canadiens
• Good guy Macklin Celebrini tries to help the refs out with a penalty call.

Clear your calendars! Oilers fans—imagine spending a week in the sun with Edmonton legends! The Edmonton Hockey Legends Cruise 2026 sails July 17–24, 2026 aboard Royal Caribbean’s Navigator of the Seas, cruising the Mexican Riviera.

On board: Jason Strudwick, Bill Ranford, Ron Low, Gene Principe, Jack Michaels, Kelly Buchberger, and Louie DeBrusk.

You’ll get meet & greets, hot-stove sessions, Q&A panels, autographs, and a chance to watch the World Cup Final at sea with the legends. Cabins start at $2,399 CAD, and it’s just a $500 deposit to lock it in.

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.

On this week's #RefsPodcast:

• Checking in on injured liney Steve Barton
• Preds' Stamkos fined for bench shenanigans
• Caps' Klapka also gets involved from the bench, picking up a penalty but nothing from Player Safety
• Intent to blow at Oilers vs. Blues
• Goalie fight!
• Phantom tripping penalty called on Canadiens' Hutson
• ANOTHER Sabres goalie penalty!
• No call for Blue Jackets' Olivier's hit on Lightning's Cernak
• Penalty call after Sens' Cozens boards Canes' Hall -- but the penalty came against Hall for abuse of officials after complaining about the non-call
• Utah's O'Brien avoids a penalty for a hard hit on Flyers' Tippett. Right call?

Clear your calendars! Oilers fans—imagine spending a week in the sun with Edmonton legends! The Edmonton Hockey Legends Cruise 2026 sails July 17–24, 2026 aboard Royal Caribbean’s Navigator of the Seas, cruising the Mexican Riviera.

On board: Jason Strudwick, Bill Ranford, Ron Low, Gene Principe, Jack Michaels, Kelly Buchberger, and Louie DeBrusk.

You’ll get meet & greets, hot-stove sessions, Q&A panels, autographs, and a chance to watch the World Cup Final at sea with the legends. Cabins start at $2,399 CAD, and it’s just a $500 deposit to lock it in.

Book at cast.tours/edmonton and use promo code REFS2026 for $100 off per person—again, that’s cast.tours/edmonton - promo code REFS2026 - to save $100 per guest. 

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.