ScuttlePuck NHL Hockey Podcast

Despite our best efforts to publish an episode from California, technical issues prevented it. Regardless, we are back and there is lots to discuss. Shane Pinto was suspended by the NHL for not betting on NHL games. We'll try to explain. Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Direct MP3 iHeart Radio

Episode 437 - V2

Banter - technical issues

Title Player - Willi Plett - connect to Shane Pinto

Willi Plett -> 79-80 Atlanta Flames Brad Marsh -> 91-92 Red Wings Nick Lidstrom -> 2011-2012 Wings Darren Helm -> 2022-23 Avalanche Alex Galchenyuk -> 2020-21 Senators Shane Pinto

Feedback - Paul from San Francisco, Chris, Caroline and Hooper, Tom Tilley, Nora, Jason Addy

News

Shane Pinto

- 41 games for not betting on NHL games? Seems fishy

- Players are allowed to gamble but not on NHL games

- Facts

- 41 games was negotiated settlement - NHL wanted more

- almost certainly confidentiality clause

- no appeal

- public admission of making

- NHL Statement

- "The League's investigation found no evidence that Pinto made any wagers on NHL games,"

NB - does not say Pinto did not make any wagers on NHL games

- Pinto

- "I take full responsibility for my actions and look forward to getting back on the ice with my team"

- what actions? not going to find out from Pinto or NHL

- Being Reported

- possibility it was proxy betting where someone uses your account to make bets for you - technically not illegal but against rules of most betting apps

- no one has said the proxy was betting on NHL games but given severity of penalty, must be the case no?

- proxy bet is nice, clean story but is it true?

- to make an account you need to give ID and credit card / bank info - did he think that wouldn't be connected to him? Pretty stupid if not.

- Friedge and Marek pretty quick to say "nothing malicious" - what makes them think so?

- being characterized as an "honest mistake" and "careless" - if they are getting info out of NHL, it's definitely the story the NHL wants out

- NHL has had huge influx of cash with betting services - what happens if it turns out a player bets on NHL games?

-will any MSM get the whole story? Hahahahahaha

Adam Johnson, former Penguin died in on-ice incident in EIHL in England. "Freak Accident" - neck cut by skate in collision.

PWHL - logo revealed

trademark filings hints at team names

Toronto Torch, Montreal Echo, Ottawa Alert, Minnesota Superior, Boston Wicked, New York Sound.

I hope these aren't the names….

Training camps start Nov 15

NHL rescinds rule against pride tape after Travis Dermott uses in home opener

• NHL didn't see this coming?

"Players will now have the option to voluntarily represent social causes with their stick tape throughout the season,"

McDavid injured in game with Jets - will he play in Heritage classic Sunday?

Joe Thornton retired

Oilers 1-5-1 and Edmonton is collectively losing its mind

underlying numbers are pretty good but situation is dire

should they fire Woodcroft?

Leafs 5-2 and looking good in 3rd - Nylander with 11 points.

Points

Jack Hughes 7GP 5-13-18 - lots reporting that Hughes is best player in the world…

Dylan Larkin 8GP 4-11-15

Alex Debrincat 8GP 9-4-13

Goalies

Jonathan Quick 3GP .982

Joseph Woll 4GP .961

Jeremy Swayman 3GP .957

Oilers- Campbell 45th, Skinner 50th -

High powered offence has 17 goals - 28th in league

GA - 35 - 29th in league

Guess the 5th

Surprising Starts

Atlantic - Wings 5-2-1 - Tied for 2nd place

Metro - Flyers 4-3-1 - Tied 3rd place / Pit 3-5 8th place

Pacific - Canucks - 5-2-1 2nd place / Oilers 1-5-1 7th place

Central - no real surprises

Crazy Stat

What's the call? -

Throwing the stick

https://scoutingtherefs.com/2023/10/41531/missed-stick-throwing-penalty-leads-to-kraken-goal-vs-wings/

Rule 53 – Throwing Equipment – clearly indicates that this is not only against the rules, but deserving of a penalty shot:

A player shall not throw a stick or any other object in any zone.

When any member of the defending team throws or shoots any part of a stick or any other object or piece of equipment at the puck or puck carrier in his defending zone, the Referee or Linesperson shall allow the play to be completed and if a goal is not scored, a penalty shot shall be awarded to the non-offending team. This shot shall be taken by the player designated by the Referee as the player fouled.

DOPeS - 4 games for Rasmus Andersson hit on Laine - NHLPA Appealed and Bettman upheld suspension

Connor Clifton - 2 Games for hit on Hischier

https://scoutingtherefs.com/2023/10/41647/sabres-clifton-suspended-two-games-for-hischier-hit/

Auston Matthews puts the Leafs on his shoulders with back to back hattricks. The Oilers stumble out of the gate...is it as bad as it seems? Plus, a new segment. Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Direct MP3 iHeart Radio

Banter - Calgary

Title player Chico Maki

Feedback

News

Bedard - 1st goal, leads league in Shots on Goal,

Pride Tape Fiasco - Quick discussion - why make this an issue?

Matthews - hat trick in comeback victory game 1

Hat trick in game 2! 7 goals in 2 games!

Sick of Reaves already

Alfredsson back with Senators in role "somewhere between player development and Coaching". Steve Staios, President

Oilers get pasted 8-1 in season opener and fans are ready to trade everyone and fire the coach

Lose 2nd game to Canucks 4-3 - outshot them 40-16

Sign Adam Erne to 1 yr deal after PTO

Ekholm to play Sat

Logan Cooley - 2 assists as Coyotes beat Devils

Guess the 5th

Stanley Cup Predictions

Last year - Mike - Colorado Dale - Carolina

This year - who will it be?

NEWS SEGMENT What's the Call?

Bedard doesn't wear helmet for warmup - what's the rule and what happened?

Crazy Stat

DOPeS

Brett Howden - 2 games for check to head

https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/player-safety/golden-knights-brett-howden-suspended-2-games-for-illegal-check

Some big news as the Jets sign Hellebuyck and Scheifele to 7 year deals. Finally, the season begins and we make some bold predictions about what we think will happen. Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Direct MP3 iHeart Radio

Banter - Thanksgiving - Vancouver / Newman golf -

Title Player Sylvain Cote - connect him to Mark Scheifele

Cote - 99-00 Blackhawks JP Dumont -> 10-11 Predators Matt Halischuk -> 13-16 Jets Mark Scheifelel

Feedback - Nick in Iraq put up sticker in PAX terminal.

News

Jets sign Scheifele and Hellebuyck to 7 x $8.5MM deals

Dahlin - $11 x 8 - big get for Sabres

Bettman coy about expansion at BOG - seems like it's a done deal

Says expansion fee will be "a lot"

Where? Look to TV Market

What is going on in the WHL?

Kevin Constantine gets fired by Wenatchee for making " derogatory comments of a discriminatory nature" - THN Ryan Kennedy - "racial slur"

In other recent events:

Red Deer names Kai Uchacz Captain - he had previously been suspended by the Seattle Thunderbirds and then released by the team for racist comments made to teammate

Bill Peters gets hired after history with Akim Aliu

Fridge commented that in conversation between NHL and WHL employee, NHL said "Do you guys have any bleepin' clue about what's going on?"

Characterized WHL as "not so much a league but a bunch of fiefdoms"

Flames get arena deal - finally - $1.22 Billion event centre, includes 1000 seat community rink

Guess the 5th

Season Prediction time!

Last Season 5 Stories

LAST YEAR: 5 stories to watch this year:

Colorado - are they built to last?

Calgary - did Treliving do as well as we all think?

Seattle - does Shane Wright prove the Habs wrong?

Arizona - does it become a destination game?

Pittsburgh - the band is back but is it too late for Crosby/Malkin and Letang?

Stories to Watch

Can Oilers live up to hype?

Can Vegas have staying power?

Kessel Iron Man streak

Does Patrick Kane end up in buffalo?

Will a Canadian Team win the Cup?

Big Moves in Off Season

Karlsson to Penguins - does he keep them a contender?

Debrincat to Red Wings - can they be more than mediocre

Dubois to LA - have they stepped forward or backward with this trade?

Hall to Chicago with Bedard - can he help? Will they be more than terrible?

Tarasenko to Ottawa - will he help them get to playoffs?

Dom's Model has Edmonton 107.2 pts and Carolina 107.7 pts as top teams in West and East.

1st and Last by Division

Pacific - Edmonton / San Jose - Vegas show worthy? Watch CGY -

Metropolitan - Rangers / Flyers - Pittsburgh? Carolina - goalies?

Central - Avalanche / Blackhawks - CBJ / Dallas / Winnipeg- Hellebuyck

Atlantic - Leafs / Canadiens - Bruins goalies? TBL - no Vasi for 2 months

Leafs

Keys to success outside big names- Klingberg, Samsonov/Woll Bertuzzi

Matthews Goals?

Oilers

Keys to success outside big names - Campbell rebound / Ekholm healthy /

McDavid Goals / Points?

BOLD PREDICTIONS

We joked last week that Mike Babcock and Johnny Gaudreau wouldn't last...we didn't expect one of them wouldn't make it to the opening of their first training camp together. As the other camps open, the Leafs are trying Nylander at centre and the Oilers are just hoping Jack Campbell can get close to his past form. The PWHL has its first draft. Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Direct MP3 iHeart Radio

Banter

Title Player Mark Streit - connect to Paul Bissonnette

Streit 08-09 Islanders Bill Guerin -> 08-09 Penguins Paul Bissonnette

Feedback

News

Babcock Firing

-chronology of events

- Bissonnette and Whitney discuss on Spittin' Chiclets

- Babcock, Blue Jackets and Jenner release statement saying mischaracterization

- Bissonnette doubles and triples down

- Commodore says it's true

- NHLPA investigates

- NHLPA / NHL meet

- Fridge reports that PA / Bluejackets meetings were intense. PA found some young players uncomfortable - meeting away from team facilities, Babcock had phone for several minutes

- Babcock resigns

Davidson - "This is what we had to do, and the resignation process had to start at that point." - why not fire him?

Josh Bailey -Ottawa PTO

PWHL Draft - Teams had a 10 day window to sign 3 free agents and then there was a 15 round draft after that.

Boston, New York, Minnesota, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa

$35,000 minimum salary, $55,000 Average, $80,000 max. Must sign 6 players to 3 year, $80,000 deals

Bruins - Marchand captain

100th season sweaters are interesting

Guess the 5th

Training Camps open!! What are things we're watching?

Leafs - Nylander moving to Centre

Reaves talking big - going to change the locker room - how will that be received?

Bertuzzi, Domi, Reaves - extra grit good for team?

Klingberg - return to form?

Oilers - questions

Lavoie makes it?

Broberg - where will he play? (RHD with Nurse?)

Gagner, Sutter or Erne make team from PTO?

Campbell bounce back?

Connor Bedard goals at Rookie camp - release is weird and lethal

Penguins wear warm ups at rookie camp because Dubas makes players earn the jersey

Athletic article on rule changes players would like to see https://theathletic.com/4879265/2023/09/20/nhl-rule-changes-player-poll/

Stamkos disappointed that no extension talks have happened.

Crazy Stat

We're back for another summer episode of ScuttlePuck as we start to ramp up to another season. The GMs held a meeting in September which was a first, and the coaches were invited. What's up? Surprisingly, it sounds like the Jets will start the year with Hellebuyck and Scheiffele in the lineup. How long will that last? Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Direct MP3 iHeart Radio

Banter

Title Player Mario Marois

Feedback

News

Babcock redemption tour - 3 part series on nhl.com

• A new man, or just a puff piece from the NHL?

Signings since last episode

TOR Matters 4 x $13.25

OTT Jake Sanderson - 8 x 8.05

EDM Evan Bouchard 2 x $3.9

NYR Alex Lafreniere 2 x $2.325

Bill Peters back in Lethbridge

https://www.sportsnet.ca/juniors/article/whls-lethbridge-hurricanes-plan-to-hire-former-flames-coach-bill-peters/#

"Over the last several years, I have worked to understand my previous anti-Black racist thoughts and actions," said Peters. "I have learned much through this reformational journey and feel ready to return to coaching. I am in an influential position to positively impact community leaders and contribute to a more inclusive generation in hockey."

Guess the 5th

GM Meetings - changed to Sept this year - included all coaches - mandatory meeting

Friedman felt that there would be discussions about what is acceptable in a dressing room / what is acceptable when dealing with refs

Lebrun and Russo article on prep for season - Winnipeg still have Hellebuyck and Scheiffele - Cheveldayoff says they'll start the season with them

https://theathletic.com/4845900/2023/09/08/nhl-gm-meetings-hellebuyck-scheifele/

Friedman - reporting that Hellebuyck could stay in Winnipeg

Hellebuyck has an open mind

Former Jets player told him - if there was one thing to change, key players should get more info from team on what plans are

Not sure about Scheiffele -

Calgary - quiet, Hannifin not signing, Lindholm willing to stay, but needs to get paid

How do they get Huberdeau going? Making $10.5MM

What do they look like this year?

Arizona Coyotes -

"They're working away at resolving the uncertainty around where they're going to play long term," said Bettman, who added that the league must know definitive plans by midseason because it needs to focus on building next year's schedule.Remember, Utah Jazz owner Ryan Smith is waiting in Salt Lake City with open arms if the Coyotes can't resolve this over the next few months."

That's the first I've heard that short a timeline on the Coyotes getting resolution

Bowman and Quenneville spoke to the 32 coaches and 32 GMs about their experiences and lessons learned from the Chicago scandal. No details of discussion released by NHL or these two. Bill Armstrong said, "That was about leadership and responsibility and about, if something does come up, how to handle things thoroughly," said Arizona Coyotes general manager Bill Armstrong. "You have to address it, investigate it, and it's your responsibility as a leader to go above and beyond to make sure it's dealt with. And that the league's perspective, too."

- what does this tell us about their status? Prospects to enter league again?

- Quenneville working with Brock McGillis

- Bowman working with Sheldon Kennedy

Sports 1440 in Edmonton up and going.

It's the dog days of summer but we're here talking hockey. The Athletic is recommending ways to improve hockey but we have other ideas. Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Direct MP3 iHeart Radio

Banter - Wine tour - Happy B'day to Dan, Kim, Donny

Title Player Syl Apps - connect to Jonathan Toews

Apps -> 47-48 Leafs Ted Kennedy -> 56-67 Leafs Dick Duff - 71-72 Sabres Gilbert Perreault -> 86-87 Sabres Dave Andreychuk - 05-06 Lightning Brad Richards -> 14-15 Blackhawks Jonathan Toews

News:

Toews out for 23-24 but wants to play in 24-25

"Toews had 31 points (15 goals, 16 assists) in 53 games last season. He announced Feb. 21 he was stepping away from the Blackhawks to deal with the effects of long COVID-19 and Chronic Immune Response Syndrome, which kept him out the entire 2020-21 season. "

Bergeron retires

Krejci retires

• where does this leave the Bruins?

Will Lucic fill the void ;-)

UFAs remaining

1. Patrick Kane
2. Josh Bailey
3. Tomas Tatar
4. Maxime Comtois
5. Paul Stastny
6. Phil Kessel
7. Jaro Halak

Notable Unsigned RFAs

1. Zegras (ANA)
2. Lafreniere (NYR)
3. Berni (CBJ)
4. Jamie Drysdale (ANA)
5. Bouchard (EDM)

Guess the 5th

Ideas from other leagues - https://theathletic.com/4776520/2023/08/15/nhl-nfl-nba-mls-wta-atp/

10 things listed:

1. Become player centric
2. Create NHL version of NFL Red Zone
3. Stagger game start times for better viewing options
4. More appointment-watching games
5. More flexibility with cap
6. Designated player rule (see item 5)
7. Don't be beholden to the way it's always been
8. More advanced replay tech
9. Lean in on data and promote it
10. Encourage fresh voices

Do a quick take on any of these that interest you and THEN:

What other ideas do you have? Pick one or two you think they should try - try to be original.

Me: 1. Cut # of games - not new but this is a must - my new angle - shorten playoffs!

1. Implement a 30s penalty for "Micro infractions" - accidental trip, puck over glass etc

Whatever is done, do not emulate MLB and NBA uniform nonsense!

Mike's Trivia Challenge for Dale -

We're back after a month long break with lots of stories and some hockey talk. Kyle Dubas puts his stamp on the Penguins by finalizing a trade for Erik Karlsson. Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Direct MP3 iHeart Radio

Banter

Belgium - GP / Good beer

Nurburgring

D-Day beaches

Stratford

Grindstone

Title Player Kevin Lowe - connect him to Jeff Jackson

Kevin Lowe - 92-93 Rangers James Patrick -> 86-87 Rangers Jeff Jackson

Feedback - Nora - wants another 9 years and a ScuttlePuck t-shirt!

News

Signings and trades since last episode:

BIG Signings - overall, not many big ones, tons of low - middle end. Cap not going up has really squeezed the UFAs

Tom Wilson - Caps 7 years $6.5MM - man alive

Ilya Sorokin - Islanders - $8.25 x 8

Dmitry Orlov - Hurricanes $7.75 x 2 - smart AGM - pay high, but he's 31 so not overpaying for long time

Anze Kopitar - $7MM x 2

Alex Debrincat - $7.875 x 4 - Det

Sebastien Aho - $9.75 x 8

Tarasenko - OTT - $5 x 1

Oilers - pretty quiet

Connor Brown

Ryan McLeod (RFA)

Jeff Jackson CEO of Hockey operations!

Leafs - clearly adding sandpaper

Sens add Korpisalo and Tarasenko - interesting

Guess the 5th

Dubas announced he will be GM and promptly completes 3-way trade to secure Erik Karlsson

- interested to see how San Jose approaches next few seasons

- Dubas as GM - surprised?

- names Amanda Kessel, Trevor Daley as Special Assistants to GM - thoughts?

The Vegas Golden Knights win the Stanley Cup. Taylor traded to the Chicago Blackhawks for cap space. The NHL decides to back away from special warm up jersey nights. We do some prep for the Draft which goes this week. Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Direct MP3 iHeart Radio

Title Player Ab McDonald - connect to Connor Brown (expected to go to Oilers)

Ab McDonald - 72-73 Winnipeg Jets -> Coached by Bobby Hull -> Brett Hull 03-04 Red Wings -> Jiri Hudler -> 16-17 Stars Jason Spezza -> 19-20 Leafs Travis Dermont -> 18-19 Leafs Connor Brown

Feedback - shoutout to team at TSN 1260 who got cut in Bell Media layoffs esp Al Mitchell

News

Vegas wins STANLEY CUP

- Marchessault Conn Smythe

• 6 years as predicted by Bill Foley
• Overall impressions?

Taylor Hall to Chicago - will have played with 6 No 1 overall picks - Bedard, Dahlin, Hiescher, McDavid, Nuge, Yakupov.

Board of Governors meeting

- no themed warmup jerseys - disappointing - some pretty cool jerseys had been made - Pride, Hockey Fights Cancer, Indiginous etc

- Salary cap up $1MM

- Tampa sell minority stake for $1.4Billion - will this lead to more sales?

- Tannenbaum sells a portion of his 25% stake in MLSE

Trades leading up to Draft

- Sean Durzi to Coyotes for 2024 2nd to LA

- Ryan Johansen from Preds to Avalanche for Galchenyuk - Preds rebuilding

Flames tearing it down? Big name players 1 year from UFA on the market

Tyler Toffoli - Seravailli reports doesn't intend to sign

Elias Lindholm - leaning against signing

Mikael Backlund - leaning against signing

Noah Hanifin - not signing

What a couple of years for franchise - draft will be fascinating

Guess the 5th

NHL Awards

McDavid - Hart, Art Ross, Rocket Richard, Lindsay

64 G, 89 A, 153P - first since Gretzky in 86-87 to lead all categories

Norris - Karlsson

Adams - Montgomery

Selke - Bergeron

Lady Byng -

Draft - Top 10 - McKenzie

Matvei Mitchkov - fascinating discussion -viewed by many as #2 behind Bedard.

Signed with SKA St. Petersburg

Teams with Most Picks

Crazy Stat

The Golden Knights are one win away from Stanley Cup glory. Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Direct MP3 iHeart Radio

Banter

Title Player - Hakan Loob - connect to Shane Doan

Feedback - is Crosby #2 all time

News

Ottawa deal - another group has withdrawn - 2 groups remain - price down to $950MM

Apostolopoulos supposedly had largest bid but withdrew due to frustrations with process

Blue Jackets making moves-

Severson - sign and trade - 8 yrs - 29 when starts

Provorov - 2 yrs left at $4.725 ($2MM retained)

Is Columbus going to be legit with these moves? What else will they need to do?

Pierre Luc Dubois, RFA has said he won't sign so Winnipeg is looking to move.

Gave Jets a list of teams he'd sign long term extension

RFA basically created a no movement clause situation. Matt Tkachuk-style. I think we're going to see this more.

He's basically demanded out of 2 markets now - would you want him?

Alex Debrincat has done same to Ottawa - Where will he go?

Leafs add Shane Doan as Assistant to GM Brad Treliving - will this be the difference?

Guess the 5th

Playoffs

Golden Knights up 3-1

- things getting testy

- Wes McCauley making himself the star…again

- wrap up in 5?

Crazy stat

DOPeS

The Stanley Cup Final has started with Vegas taking an early lead on the Panthers. The Penguins steal the Leafs' thunder by announcing Dubas as POHO 30 minutes before the Leafs announce Brad Treliving as GM. Plus, special guest, Tommy Krulikowski returns to ScuttlePuck. Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Direct MP3 iHeart Radio

Banter -

Title Player Mickey Redmond - will connect to Mike Babcock

75-76 Red Wings Rick Lapointe -> 85-86 Kings Gary Galley -> 99-00 Kings Dan Bylsma ->03-04 Ducks for Babcock and coached the Penguins over Babcock in 08-09 Stanley Cup

Feedback - Is Sid #2 all time?

News

Dubas POHO in Pittsburgh

Treliving GM in TO

Quebec Remparts win Memorial Cup - Patrick Roy - will he come back to NHL? Where?

Babcock hired by CBJ

32 Thoughts interview with Ryan Smith - Salt Lake City potential owner

Cole Caufield - 8 x $7.85

Greg Cronin hired by Ducks as Head Coach

Guess the 5th

Playoffs

Thomas Krulikowski interview

Wes McCauley making himself the story, as usual

Adin Hill making a case for Conn Smythe

Bobrovsky was amazing in Gm1

Crazy Stat

DOPeS