Fresh from a techno festival, Andrew's planning an escape to Lion's Head National Park in Canada while working through therapy insights about procrastination. 🏕️ Plus he's thinking about how to reposition MetaMonster away from tools that might be seen as cheap. Meanwhile Sean's juggling multiple client launches and working on mapping the security operations of a bank to help other people on the Miscreants team understand what it's like to work in a security org. Also: Ferrari shots, cognitive distortions, and landing new clients!

Links:

• Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskins
• Andrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/
• MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/
• Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsun
• Miscreants: http://miscreants.com/
• Margins: http://margins.so/
• Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/

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Transcript:
00:01.05
Andrew
not much got a got a new haircut went to a rave this weekend not really a rave the movement festival the like big techno festival that happens in detroit every year was this weekend so uh we last year went for the first time got a one day ticket one day is all my old man old man ass can handle so

00:04.76
Sean
Yeah, what's fresh? How was that? Who did you see?

00:14.70
Sean
Cool.

00:25.98
Sean
Are you a techno guy? Are you?

00:27.81
Andrew
No, not really. I like house better than techno, but Detroit is the birthplace of techno.

00:28.71
Sean
Oh, okay. Gotcha. I

00:34.22
Andrew
So yeah.

00:35.31
Sean
i didn't know that. And yeah also the birthplace of Eminem.

00:38.87
Andrew
And i'm a I'm a Detroit guy. So big Detroit guy.

00:40.85
Sean
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

00:44.76
Andrew
Yeah, it was fun.

00:45.52
Sean
Yeah.

00:46.53
Andrew
I could not tell you who we saw. I have no fucking clue what any of their names were.

00:50.17
Sean
Okay.

00:51.79
Andrew
i was just there vibing and dancing.

00:54.88
Sean
Cool. you Did you partake like many techno folks tend to?

00:59.05
Andrew
Not this year. No.

01:00.38
Sean
I see. I see.

01:01.08
Andrew
Nah, we were just... I had... I, you know, sipped on a few seltzers. Had a...

01:06.13
Sean
Nice.

01:07.04
Andrew
Had a Ferrari shot before we left.

01:09.49
Sean
What is a Ferrari shot?

01:10.94
Andrew
A Ferrari shot is equal parts for Nett and Campari. For... Ari.

01:16.49
Sean
Cool. like

01:17.37
Andrew
Yeah. It's like...

01:20.58
Sean
Do you like Frenet?

01:20.71
Andrew
i feel... I don't know.

01:21.50
Sean
Are you a Frenet person?

01:24.71
Andrew
i

01:25.07
Sean
Oh. Interesting.

01:25.68
Andrew
I want to be a Furnette person. i love Amari. And my cocktail nerd friends generally like Furnette. And it's a Furnette shot is called a bartender's handshake because it's apparently a big like industry thing where you're like, you know, start, start your shift or something with a shot of Furnette.

01:35.35
Sean
Interesting.

01:42.16
Sean
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:46.36
Andrew
And so I feel like, like that just sounds so cool. Like a bartender's handshake. Like that sounds so cool. And like, I'm never going to be a real bartender, but I can at least learn to like for net.

01:57.22
Andrew
I like it better.

01:57.21
Sean
Oh,

01:59.49
Andrew
it it just, it can overpower things and tastes like toothpaste. So I like, I prefer it with other things. I really want to try the I found out the most popular cocktail in like Argentina is a for net and Coke.

02:17.32
Sean
oh interesting.

02:18.68
Andrew
So yeah, it sounds really weird.

02:18.85
Sean
Now want

02:21.05
Andrew
I want to try it.

02:22.31
Sean
yeah i hear uh i hear fernet was like popular in sf for a bit it's a big sf people drink yeah yeah i don't mind it it's not bad yeah i would like to try fernet and diet coke that feels yeah well fernet diet coke break with the the cigarette

02:26.88
Andrew
I can see that. It seems like a SF hipster thing.

02:39.81
Andrew
Yeah. Yeah.

02:44.25
Andrew
Kind of like a Calimocho. Have you ever heard of that?

02:48.67
Sean
No, no, you know more about cocktails than I do.

02:49.83
Andrew
Calimocho is like the... My friends in Spain told me it's like kind of a college kid drink, but it's red wine and Coke.

03:02.87
Sean
You know what's really good that people are going to think is this guy? Red wine and Sprite.

03:07.24
Andrew
Oh, yeah, yeah. They call that Tinto de Verano. Yeah.

03:09.90
Sean
Oh, no, none of my ideas are original.

03:11.03
Andrew
Yeah.

03:12.70
Sean
I see.

03:12.87
Andrew
Yeah, red wine and either like some sort of citrus soda.

03:13.06
Sean
Okay.

03:16.34
Andrew
So often it's like a sparkling lemonade or a Sprite or something like that.

03:17.18
Sean
Hmm.

03:21.28
Andrew
It's kind of like, you know, poor man's sangria. If you don't have like fruit and don't want to do a whole like put all the work into making a sangria, just have a Tinto de Verano.

03:25.45
Sean
Yeah.

03:32.24
Sean
Yeah. Nice.

03:34.34
Andrew
We drank a bunch of them on the Camino.

03:34.38
Sean
Cool. Speaking of the Camino, you're going on your next trip.

03:41.14
Andrew
yeah uh if i can get this fucking newsletter out then i will be leaving to go up to canada for a three-day backpacking trip with maddie at lion's head national park it looks beautiful it's like cliffs that are stick out it's a peninsula that sticks out into lake huron these like big cliffs and crystal clear water

03:50.95
Sean
Nice.

03:53.69
Sean
Cool. Cool, cool.

04:05.29
Andrew
But the high is like 55 and it's supposed to be cloudy and like maybe rain a little bit. So little nervous, but really excited to be getting on trail.

04:10.79
Sean
Okay.

04:16.66
Andrew
I am like having a little bit of tech overload and

04:21.55
Sean
Yeah, it was just i I was just saying to JJ other day that like Andrew's going to go on a trip any one of these days. like It's been a while. He hasn't hasn't left to to go touch grass in a minute.

04:34.22
Sean
Yeah.

04:35.01
Andrew
yeah i've been craving it i was gonna try while i was uh in between miscreants projects i was gonna just take off in the middle of the week one week but the weather just wasn't cooperating the trail i wanted to do the two times that i looked to like get ready to go it was gonna be rainy the whole time and i was like fuck that rainy and cold so

04:45.46
Sean
Nice.

04:54.89
Sean
Nice. Nice. Well, glad you glad you get to do it now.

05:00.01
Andrew
Yeah. One of my goals is five backpacking trips this year.

05:00.58
Sean
hope it's

05:03.05
Andrew
So this is number one and we'll see if I can get all five.

05:04.06
Sean
cool. OK.

05:09.80
Se...