In this episode, Jacob and Chris talk to Liz and Gemma from Grow Your Mindset. Liz and Gemma work with schools and businesses to help develop a growth mindsets and encourage positive thinking. We talk about ‘upstairs’ and ‘downstairs’ thinking and a quick technique that can quickly shift anxious thoughts to excited ones. We also find out what Jacob would take with him if he could only take three things to a desert island!

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